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From: Christof Meerwald <cmeerw@cmeerw.org>
To: "Paton J. Lewis" <palewis@adobe.com>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@redhat.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Holland <pholland@adobe.com>,
	Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] epoll: Improved support for multi-threaded clients
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:21:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120814202125.GH1407@edge.cmeerw.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120802174226.04afdcd0@adobe.com>

Hi Paton,

On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 06:37:06PM -0700, Paton J. Lewis wrote:
[...]
> My first concern is about code clarity. Using a custom event to
> delete an event type (either EPOLLIN or EPOLLOUT) from an epoll item
> requires that functionality to be split across two areas of code:
> the code that requests the deletion (via the call to epoll_ctl), and
> the code that responds to it (via epoll_wait).

But don't you have a similar problem in your proposal as well as you
might get an EBUSY when trying to disabling the item - in which case
you would have to do the deletion in the epoll_wait loop.

> However, my main concern is about performance. Handling a custom
> event means that each return from epoll_wait requires the responding
> thread to check for possible custom events, which in the case of
> deletion is going to be relatively rare. Thus code which was once
> purely concerned with responding to I/O events must now spend a
> fraction of its time testing for exceptional conditions. In
> addition, handling deletion in this manner now requires a thread or
> context switch.

But in your initial proposal you also had the code checking for
deletion in the epoll_wait loop.


> Given the drawbacks listed above, and the kernel design philosophy
> of only implementing what is actually needed, I would argue for
> sticking with the original EPOLL_CTL_DISABLE proposal for now.

I have finally had some chance to play around with your patch a bit
and I really think that you don't want to check for
ep_is_linked(&epi->rdllink) in ep_disable as I don't see that this
would provide any useful semantics with respect to race-conditions.
I.e. consider the point in the epoll_wait loop just after you have
re-enabled to item - in this case ep_disable would (almost certainly)
return EBUSY, but there is no guarantee that epoll_wait will be woken
up on the next iteration.

As I mentioned, I think it would be much more useful to check for
"epi->event.events & ~EP_PRIVATE_BITS" instead which I believe would
provide more useful semantics.


Christof

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-14 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-11 22:34 [PATCH] epoll: Improved support for multi-threaded clients Paton Lewis
2012-06-13 23:27 ` Andrew Morton
2012-06-18 21:58   ` Paton J. Lewis
2012-06-19 23:42     ` Andrew Morton
2012-06-16 18:47 ` Christof Meerwald
2012-06-18 23:24   ` Paton J. Lewis
2012-06-19 18:17     ` Christof Meerwald
2012-06-29 21:43       ` Paton J. Lewis
2012-07-09 18:45         ` Christof Meerwald
2012-08-03  1:37         ` Paton J. Lewis
2012-08-14 20:21           ` Christof Meerwald [this message]
2012-08-14 22:13             ` Paton J. Lewis

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