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From: Chris Mason <chris.mason@fusionio.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Josef Bacik <JBacik@fusionio.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk" <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	"jmoyer@redhat.com" <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	"zab@redhat.com" <zab@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] direct-io: allow file systems to do their own waiting for io
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 07:35:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121208123541.GE25713@shiny> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121208121730.GB18467@infradead.org>

On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 05:17:31AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 11:14:03AM -0500, Josef Bacik wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 08:41:25AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 08:37:20AM -0500, Josef Bacik wrote:
> > > > Btrfs is terrible with O_DIRECT|O_SYNC, mostly because of the constant
> > > > waiting.  The thing is we have a handy way of waiting for IO that we can
> > > > delay to the very last second so we do all of the O_SYNC work and then wait
> > > > for a bunch of IO to complete.  So introduce a flag to allow the generic
> > > > direct io stuff to forgo waiting and leave that up to the file system.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > > I don't really like passing another flag for this, if we we are going to
> > > do something like this it should be in a way where:
> > > 
> > >  - the actualy waiting code is a helper that btrfs would also use
> > >  - the main dio code is structured in a way that we have a lower level
> > >    entry point that skips the waiting, and a higher level one that also
> > >    calls it.
> > > 
> > > That beeing said I'm not imaginative enough to see how you're actually
> > > going to use it.  Posting the btrfs side would help with that.
> > > 
> > 
> > Hrm so I can do that, but it may not make much sense.  Here are the two patches
> > that are relevant (older versions but they get the idea across)
> > 
> > http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/josef/btrfs-next.git;a=commit;h=78b40072c556d82fac5e58793a3178887ac057ec
> > http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/josef/btrfs-next.git;a=commit;h=b7728f1b19eeb2041e3d4da22fd3d5a5c11abd3c
> 
> I've looked over the patches but I still don't know what's going on,
> sorry for having to poke a bit deeper by mail.
> 
> > 
> > Basically what happens with btrfs now in O_SYNC/fsync() with either O_DIRECT or
> > not is this
> > 
> > write()
> > fsync()/O_SYNC
> > 	start and wait on all io to complete
> > 	log changed metadata into special tree
> > 	write and wait on our new log
> > 	sync super which points at our new log
> > 
> > What I'm trying to accomplish is this
> > 
> > write()
> > fsync()/O_SYNC
> > 	start io
> > 	log changed metadata into special tree
> > 	write log and then wait on log and data
> 
> How is going to be safe?  You must only update the metadata once the
> data has made it to disk, that is the actual disk I/O for the metadata
> must only start once the disk I/O for the data has finished.  For
> exactly that scenario the direct I/O code supports the end_io callback
> to notify the filesystem efficiently.

Thanks for reading through things.  The current model without the patch
looks like this:

[ write data, wait for data ] [ write various tree blocks, wait ]
[ write the super, wait ]

One data block, 3 waits.  But thanks to cow, the super commits the
metadata, so we could do this:

[ write the data ] [ write various tree blocks ] [ wait on all of it ]
[ write the super, wait ]

That's down to two waits.  If we start using atomic writes on flash, we can
do it all as a single IO.

-chris

  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-08 12:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-03 13:37 [PATCH] direct-io: allow file systems to do their own waiting for io Josef Bacik
2012-12-03 15:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-12-03 16:14   ` Josef Bacik
2012-12-08 12:17     ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-12-08 12:35       ` Chris Mason [this message]
2012-12-14 13:44         ` Chris Mason
2012-12-11 10:00       ` Liu Bo

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