From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andrew Morton Subject: Re: [PATCH v2.4 0/3] mm/fs: Remove unnecessary waiting for stable pages Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:43:52 -0800 Message-ID: <20130116204352.9d343964.akpm@linux-foundation.org> References: <20130115054235.1563.12967.stgit@blackbox.djwong.org> <20130115144608.722180b7.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20130116002246.GI6426@blackbox.djwong.org> <20130115163359.16d64ab4.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20130117024902.GJ6426@blackbox.djwong.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: axboe@kernel.dk, lucho@ionkov.net, jack@suse.cz, ericvh@gmail.com, tytso@mit.edu, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, rminnich@sandia.gov, martin.petersen@oracle.com, neilb@suse.de, david@fromorbit.com, gnehzuil.liu@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hch@infradead.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, adilger.kernel@dilger.ca, bharrosh@panasas.com, jlayton@samba.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp To: "Darrick J. Wong" Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20130117024902.GJ6426@blackbox.djwong.org> Sender: linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:49:02 -0800 "Darrick J. Wong" wrote: > > > > The problem back in 2001 was that we held lock_page() across the > > duration of page writeback, so if another thread came in and tried to > > dirty the page, it would block on lock_page() until IO completion. I > > can't remember whether writeback would also block read(). Maybe it did, > > in which case the effects of this patchset won't be as dramatic as were > > the effects of splitting PG_lock into PG_lock and PG_writeback. > > Now that you've stirred my memory, I /do/ dimly recall that Linux waited for > writeback back in the old days. At least we'll be back to that. Not really. 2.4 did writeback by walking a standalone list of buffer_heads, without locking their containing page. I removed all that and did writeback of the page instead. That immediately caused this problem, because the 2.4 writepage held lock_page() across writeout. So I changed that to drop lock_page() immediately after submission and added PG_writeback to flag the under-writeback state. The second change went in pretty much immediately - all within the same 2.5.x release, probably. > As a side note, the average latency of a write to a non-DIF disk dropped down > to nearly nothing. Some hard numbers in the changelog would be nice. Did you try dbench-on-ext2? > > > > Do we generate nice kernel messages (at mount or device-probe time) > > which will permit people to work out which strategy their device/fs is > > using? > > No. /sys/devices/virtual/bdi/*/stable_pages_required will tell you > stable pages are on or not, but so far only ext3 uses snapshots and the rest > just wait. Do you think a printk would be useful? Nope, if we can query the mode under /sys then that should be sufficient.