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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>, Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/19] list_lru: per-node list infrastructure
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:55:21 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130116225521.GF2498@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50F6FDC8.5020909@parallels.com>

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:21:44AM -0800, Glauber Costa wrote:
> On 11/27/2012 03:14 PM, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > From: Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
> > 
> > Now that we have an LRU list API, we can start to enhance the
> > implementation.  This splits the single LRU list into per-node lists
> > and locks to enhance scalability. Items are placed on lists
> > according to the node the memory belongs to. To make scanning the
> > lists efficient, also track whether the per-node lists have entries
> > in them in a active nodemask.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  include/linux/list_lru.h |   14 ++--
> >  lib/list_lru.c           |  160 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------
> >  2 files changed, 129 insertions(+), 45 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/include/linux/list_lru.h b/include/linux/list_lru.h
> > index 3423949..b0e3ba2 100644
> > --- a/include/linux/list_lru.h
> > +++ b/include/linux/list_lru.h
> > @@ -8,21 +8,23 @@
> >  #define _LRU_LIST_H 0
> >  
> >  #include <linux/list.h>
> > +#include <linux/nodemask.h>
> >  
> > -struct list_lru {
> > +struct list_lru_node {
> >  	spinlock_t		lock;
> >  	struct list_head	list;
> >  	long			nr_items;
> > +} ____cacheline_aligned_in_smp;
> > +
> > +struct list_lru {
> > +	struct list_lru_node	node[MAX_NUMNODES];
> > +	nodemask_t		active_nodes;
> >  };
> >  
> MAX_NUMNODES will default to 1 << 9, if I'm not mistaken. Your
> list_lru_node seems to be around 32 bytes on 64-bit systems (128 with
> debug). So we're talking about 16k per lru.

*nod*

It is relatively little compared to the number of inodes typically
on a LRU.

> The superblocks only, are present by the dozens even in a small system,
> and I believe the whole goal of this API is to get more users to switch
> to it. This can easily use up a respectable bunch of megs.
> 
> Isn't it a bit too much ?

Maybe, but for active superblocks it only takes a handful of cached
inodes to make this 16k look like noise, so I didn't care. Indeed, a
typical active filesystem could be consuming gigabytes of memory in
the slab, so 16k is a tiny amount of overhead to track this amount
of memory more efficiently.

Most other LRU/shrinkers are tracking large objects and only have a
single LRU instance machine wide. Hence the numbers arguments don't
play out well in favour of a more complex, dynamic solution for
them, either. Sometimes dumb and simple is the best approach ;)

> I am wondering if we can't do better in here and at least allocate+grow
> according to the actual number of nodes.

We could add hotplug notifiers and grow/shrink the node array as
they get hot plugged, but that seems unnecessarily complex given
how rare such operations are.

If superblock proliferation is the main concern here, then doing
somethign as simple as allowing filesystems to specify they want
numa aware LRU lists via a mount_bdev() flag would solve this
problem. If the flag is set, then full numa lists are created.
Otherwise the LRU list simply has a "single node" and collapses all node
IDs down to 0 and ignores all NUMA optimisations...

That way the low item count virtual filesystems like proc, sys,
hugetlbfs, etc won't use up memory, but filesytems that actually
make use of NUMA awareness still get the more expensive, scalable
implementation. Indeed, any subsystem that is not performance or
location sensitive can use the simple single list version, so we can
avoid overhead in that manner system wide...

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-16 22:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-27 23:14 [RFC, PATCH 00/19] Numa aware LRU lists and shrinkers Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 01/19] dcache: convert dentry_stat.nr_unused to per-cpu counters Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 02/19] dentry: move to per-sb LRU locks Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 03/19] dcache: remove dentries from LRU before putting on dispose list Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 04/19] mm: new shrinker API Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 05/19] shrinker: convert superblock shrinkers to new API Dave Chinner
2012-12-20 11:06   ` Glauber Costa
2012-12-21  1:46     ` Dave Chinner
2012-12-21 10:17       ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 06/19] list: add a new LRU list type Dave Chinner
2012-11-28 16:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 07/19] inode: convert inode lru list to generic lru list code Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 08/19] dcache: convert to use new lru list infrastructure Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 09/19] list_lru: per-node " Dave Chinner
2012-12-20 11:21   ` Glauber Costa
2012-12-21  1:54     ` Dave Chinner
2013-01-16 19:21   ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-16 22:55     ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2013-01-17  0:35       ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-17  4:22         ` Dave Chinner
2013-01-17 18:21           ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-18  0:10             ` Dave Chinner
2013-01-18  0:14               ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-18  8:11                 ` Dave Chinner
2013-01-18 19:10                   ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-19  0:10                     ` Dave Chinner
2013-01-19  0:13                       ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-18  0:51               ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-18  8:08                 ` Dave Chinner
2013-01-18 19:01                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 10/19] shrinker: add node awareness Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 11/19] fs: convert inode and dentry shrinking to be node aware Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 12/19] xfs: convert buftarg LRU to generic code Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 13/19] xfs: Node aware direct inode reclaim Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 14/19] xfs: use generic AG walk for background " Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 15/19] xfs: convert dquot cache lru to list_lru Dave Chinner
2012-11-28 16:17   ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 16/19] fs: convert fs shrinkers to new scan/count API Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 17/19] drivers: convert shrinkers to new count/scan API Dave Chinner
2012-11-28  1:13   ` Chris Wilson
2012-11-28  3:17     ` Dave Chinner
2012-11-28  8:21       ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-28 21:28         ` Dave Chinner
2012-11-29 10:29           ` Glauber Costa
2012-11-29 22:02             ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-07 13:37   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 18/19] shrinker: convert remaining shrinkers to " Dave Chinner
2012-11-27 23:14 ` [PATCH 19/19] shrinker: Kill old ->shrink API Dave Chinner
2012-11-29 19:02 ` [RFC, PATCH 00/19] Numa aware LRU lists and shrinkers Andi Kleen
2012-11-29 22:09   ` Dave Chinner
2012-12-20 11:45 ` Glauber Costa
2012-12-21  2:50   ` Dave Chinner
2012-12-21 10:41     ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-21 16:08 ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-21 23:21   ` Dave Chinner
2013-01-23 14:36     ` Glauber Costa
2013-01-23 23:46       ` Dave Chinner

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