linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Suresh Jayaraman <sjayaraman@suse.com>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Andrea Righi <andrea@betterlinux.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Moyer Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM TOPIC] [ATTEND] Throttling I/O
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:52:33 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130125175233.GI3081@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130125163408.GE6197@redhat.com>

Hey, guys.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:34:08AM -0500, Vivek Goyal wrote:
> And I think tejun wanted to implement throttling at block layer and
> wanted vm to adjust/respond to per group IO backlog when it comes
> to writting to dirty data/inodes.
> 
> Once we have take care of writeback problem then comes the issue
> of being able to associate a dirty inode/page to a cgroup. Not sure
> if something has happened on that front or not. In the past it was
> thought to be simple that one inode belongs to one IO cgroup.

Yeap, the above two sum it up pretty good.

> Also seriously, in CFQ, group idling performance penalty is too
> high and might start showing up easily on a single spindle sata disk
> also. Especially given the fact that people will come up with hybrid
> SATA drives with some caching internally. So SATA drive will not
> be as slow.
> 
> So proportional group scheduling of CFQ is limited to such a specific
> corner case of slow SATA drive. I am not sure how many people really
> use it.

I don't think so.  If you personal usages, sure, it's not very useful
but then again proportional IO control itself isn't all that useful
for personal use, but if you go to backend infrastructure requiring a
lot of capacity, spindled drives still rule the roost and large
deployment of on-device flash cache is not as immediate, if it ever
happens, that is.  Spindle drives may not be in your desk/laptops, but
they continue to be deployed massively in the backend.

For example, google has been using half-hacky hierarchical writeback
support in cfq for quite some time now and they'll switch to upstream
implementation once we get it working, so I don't think it's a wasted
effort.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-25 17:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-25 13:19 [LSF/MM TOPIC] [ATTEND] Throttling I/O Suresh Jayaraman
2013-01-25 16:34 ` Vivek Goyal
2013-01-25 17:52   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2013-01-25 18:26     ` Vivek Goyal
2013-01-25 18:33       ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-28 11:16   ` Suresh Jayaraman
2013-01-28 19:24     ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-25 17:57 ` Tejun Heo
2013-01-28 11:46   ` Suresh Jayaraman

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20130125175233.GI3081@htj.dyndns.org \
    --to=tj@kernel.org \
    --cc=andrea@betterlinux.com \
    --cc=fengguang.wu@intel.com \
    --cc=jack@suse.cz \
    --cc=jmoyer@redhat.com \
    --cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=sjayaraman@suse.com \
    --cc=vgoyal@redhat.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).