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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Glauber Costa <glommer@openvz.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	hughd@google.com, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 11/35] list_lru: per-node list infrastructure
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:21:07 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130606032107.GQ29338@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130605160804.be25fb655f075efe70ec57c0@linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 04:08:04PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Mon,  3 Jun 2013 23:29:40 +0400 Glauber Costa <glommer@openvz.org> wrote:
> 
> > From: Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
> > 
> > Now that we have an LRU list API, we can start to enhance the
> > implementation.  This splits the single LRU list into per-node lists
> > and locks to enhance scalability.
> 
> Do we have any runtime measurements?  They're pretty important for
> justifying inclusion of the code.

Nothing I've officially posted, because I've been busy with other
XFS stuff. But, well, if you look here:

http://oss.sgi.com/pipermail/xfs/2013-June/026888.html

-  12.74%  [kernel]  [k] __ticket_spin_trylock
   - __ticket_spin_trylock
      - 60.49% _raw_spin_lock
         + 91.79% inode_add_lru			>>> inode_lru_lock
         + 2.98% dentry_lru_del			>>> dcache_lru_lock
         + 1.30% shrink_dentry_list
         + 0.71% evict
      - 20.42% do_raw_spin_lock
         - _raw_spin_lock
            + 13.41% inode_add_lru		>>> inode_lru_lock
            + 10.55% evict
            + 8.26% dentry_lru_del		>>> dcache_lru_lock
            + 7.62% __remove_inode_hash
....
      - 10.37% do_raw_spin_trylock
         - _raw_spin_trylock
            + 79.65% prune_icache_sb		>>> inode_lru_lock
            + 11.04% shrink_dentry_list
            + 9.24% prune_dcache_sb		>>> dcache_lru_lock
      - 8.72% _raw_spin_trylock
         + 46.33% prune_icache_sb		>>> inode_lru_lock
         + 46.08% shrink_dentry_list
         + 7.60% prune_dcache_sb		>>> dcache_lru_lock

This is from an 8p system w/ fake-numa=4 running an 8-way find+stat
workload on 50 million files. 12.5% CPU usage means we are burning
an entire CPU of that system just in __ticket_spin_trylock(), and
the numbers above indicate that roughly 60% of that CPU time is from
the inode_lru_lock.

So, more than half a CPU being spent just trying to get the
inode_lru_lock. The generic LRU list code drops
__ticket_spin_trylock() back down to roughly 2% of the total CPU
usage for the same workload - the CPU burn associated with the
contention on the global lock goes away.

It's pretty obvious if a global lock is causing contention issues on
an 8p system, then larger systems are going to be much, much worse.

> Measurememnts for non-NUMA and uniprocessor kernels would be useful in
> making that decision as well.

I get the same spinlock contention problems when I run without the
fake-numa kernel parameter on the VM. The generic LRU lists can't
fix the problem for non-numa systems.

> In fact a lot of the patchset is likely to be injurious to small
> machines.  We should quantify this and then persade ourselves that the
> large-machine gains are worth the small-machine losses.

I haven't been able to measure any CPU usage difference from the
changes for non-numa systems on workloads that stress the LRUs. if
you've got any ideas on how I might demonstrate a regression, then
I'm all ears. But If I can't measure the difference, there is
none...

> 
> > Items are placed on lists
> > according to the node the memory belongs to. To make scanning the
> > lists efficient, also track whether the per-node lists have entries
> > in them in a active nodemask.
> > 
> > Note:
> > We use a fixed-size array for the node LRU, this struct can be very big
> > if MAX_NUMNODES is big. If this becomes a problem this is fixable by
> > turning this into a pointer and dynamically allocating this to
> > nr_node_ids. This quantity is firwmare-provided, and still would provide
> > room for all nodes at the cost of a pointer lookup and an extra
> > allocation. Because that allocation will most likely come from a
> > different slab cache than the main structure holding this structure, we
> > may very well fail.
> 
> Surprised.  How big is MAX_NUMNODES likely to get?

AFAICT, 1024.

> lib/flex_array.c might be of use here.

Never heard of it :/

Perhaps it might, but that woul dbe something to do further down the
track...

> 
> >
> > ...
> >
> > -struct list_lru {
> > +struct list_lru_node {
> >  	spinlock_t		lock;
> >  	struct list_head	list;
> >  	long			nr_items;
> > +} ____cacheline_aligned_in_smp;
> > +
> > +struct list_lru {
> > +	/*
> > +	 * Because we use a fixed-size array, this struct can be very big if
> > +	 * MAX_NUMNODES is big. If this becomes a problem this is fixable by
> > +	 * turning this into a pointer and dynamically allocating this to
> > +	 * nr_node_ids. This quantity is firwmare-provided, and still would
> > +	 * provide room for all nodes at the cost of a pointer lookup and an
> > +	 * extra allocation. Because that allocation will most likely come from
> > +	 * a different slab cache than the main structure holding this
> > +	 * structure, we may very well fail.
> > +	 */
> > +	struct list_lru_node	node[MAX_NUMNODES];
> > +	nodemask_t		active_nodes;
> 
> Some documentation of the data structure would be helpful.  It appears
> that active_nodes tracks (ie: duplicates) node[x].nr_items!=0.
> 
> It's unclear that active_nodes is really needed - we could just iterate
> across all items in list_lru.node[].  Are we sure that the correct
> tradeoff decision was made here?

Yup. Think of all the cache line misses that checking
node[x].nr_items != 0 entails. If MAX_NUMNODES = 1024, there's 1024
cacheline misses right there. The nodemask is a much more cache
friendly method of storing active node state.

not to mention that for small machines with a large MAX_NUMNODES,
we'd be checking nodes that never have items stored on them...

> What's the story on NUMA node hotplug, btw?

Do we care? hotplug doesn't change MAX_NUMNODES, and if you are
removing a node you have to free all the memory on the node,
so that should already be tken care of by external code....

> 
> >  };
> >  
> >
> > ...
> >
> >  unsigned long
> > -list_lru_walk(
> > -	struct list_lru *lru,
> > -	list_lru_walk_cb isolate,
> > -	void		*cb_arg,
> > -	unsigned long	nr_to_walk)
> > +list_lru_count(struct list_lru *lru)
> >  {
> > +	long count = 0;
> > +	int nid;
> > +
> > +	for_each_node_mask(nid, lru->active_nodes) {
> > +		struct list_lru_node *nlru = &lru->node[nid];
> > +
> > +		spin_lock(&nlru->lock);
> > +		BUG_ON(nlru->nr_items < 0);
> 
> This is buggy.

Yup, good catch.

> > +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(list_lru_count);
> 
> list_lru_count()'s return value is of course approximate.  If callers
> require that the returned value be exact, they will need to provide
> their own locking on top of list_lru's internal locking (which would
> then become redundant).
> 
> This is the sort of thing which should be discussed in the interface
> documentation.

Yup.

> list_lru_count() can be very expensive.

Well, yes. But it's far less expensive than a global LRU lock on a
machine of the size that we are concerned about list_lru_count()
being expensive.

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-06  3:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-03 19:29 [PATCH v10 00/35] kmemcg shrinkers Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 02/35] super: fix calculation of shrinkable objects for small numbers Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 05/35] dcache: remove dentries from LRU before putting on dispose list Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:07   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:04     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 20/35] drivers: convert shrinkers to new count/scan API Glauber Costa
     [not found] ` <1370287804-3481-1-git-send-email-glommer-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 01/35] fs: bump inode and dentry counters to long Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 03/35] dcache: convert dentry_stat.nr_unused to per-cpu counters Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:07     ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  1:45       ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  2:48         ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  4:02           ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06 12:40           ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06 22:25             ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]               ` <20130606152546.52f614d852da32d28a0b460f-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06 23:42                 ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-07  6:03                   ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 04/35] dentry: move to per-sb LRU locks Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:07     ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  1:56       ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  8:03       ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06 12:51         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 06/35] mm: new shrinker API Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:07     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20130605160751.499f0ebb35e89a80dd7931f2-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06  7:58         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 07/35] shrinker: convert superblock shrinkers to new API Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 08/35] list: add a new LRU list type Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <1370287804-3481-9-git-send-email-glommer-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-05 23:07       ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  2:49         ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  3:05           ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]             ` <20130605200554.d4dae16f.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06  4:44               ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  7:04                 ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  9:03                   ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06  9:55                     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                       ` <20130606025517.8400c279.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06 11:47                         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06 14:28           ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06  8:10         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 09/35] inode: convert inode lru list to generic lru list code Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 10/35] dcache: convert to use new lru list infrastructure Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 11/35] list_lru: per-node " Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08     ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  3:21       ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2013-06-06  3:51         ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:21         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06 16:15       ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06 16:48         ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 12/35] shrinker: add node awareness Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08     ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  3:26       ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  3:54         ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20130605160810.5b203c3368b9df7d087ee3b1-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06  8:23         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 13/35] vmscan: per-node deferred work Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08     ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  3:37       ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  4:59         ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  7:12           ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20130605160815.fb69f7d4d1736455727fc669-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06  9:00         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 14/35] list_lru: per-node API Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 15/35] fs: convert inode and dentry shrinking to be node aware Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 16/35] xfs: convert buftarg LRU to generic code Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 17/35] xfs: rework buffer dispose list tracking Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 18/35] xfs: convert dquot cache lru to list_lru Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 19/35] fs: convert fs shrinkers to new scan/count API Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 21/35] i915: bail out earlier when shrinker cannot acquire mutex Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 22/35] shrinker: convert remaining shrinkers to count/scan API Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20130605160821.59adf9ad4efe48144fd9e237-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06  3:41         ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  8:27           ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 23/35] hugepage: convert huge zero page shrinker to new shrinker API Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 24/35] shrinker: Kill old ->shrink API Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 25/35] vmscan: also shrink slab in memcg pressure Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 26/35] memcg,list_lru: duplicate LRUs upon kmemcg creation Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20130605160828.1ec9f3538258d9a6d6c74083-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06  8:52         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 27/35] lru: add an element to a memcg list Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08     ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:44       ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 28/35] list_lru: per-memcg walks Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20130605160837.0d0a35fbd4b32d7ad02f7136-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06  8:37         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 29/35] memcg: per-memcg kmem shrinking Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08     ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]       ` <20130605160841.909420c06bfde62039489d2e-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06  8:35         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06  9:49           ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]             ` <20130606024906.e5b85b28.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06 12:09               ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                 ` <51B07BEC.9010205-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06 22:23                   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-07  6:10                     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29   ` [PATCH v10 30/35] memcg: scan cache objects hierarchically Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08     ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-03 19:30   ` [PATCH v10 32/35] super: targeted memcg reclaim Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:30   ` [PATCH v10 33/35] memcg: move initialization to memcg creation Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:30   ` [PATCH v10 34/35] vmpressure: in-kernel notifications Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:30   ` [PATCH v10 35/35] memcg: reap dead memcgs upon global memory pressure Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:09     ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:33       ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:30 ` [PATCH v10 31/35] vmscan: take at least one pass with shrinkers Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:07 ` [PATCH v10 00/35] kmemcg shrinkers Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  3:44   ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  5:51   ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <51B02347.60809-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06  7:18       ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]         ` <20130606001855.48d9da2e.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06  7:37           ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06  7:47             ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  7:59               ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]   ` <20130605160721.da995af82eb247ccf8f8537f-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-07 14:15     ` Michal Hocko

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