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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, luto@amacapital.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] locks: try to catch potential deadlock between file-private and classic locks from same process
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 15:35:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140304203541.GH12805@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140304151451.07530a98@tlielax.poochiereds.net>

On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 03:14:51PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 14:35:51 -0500
> "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Mar 04, 2014 at 02:10:49PM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > > My expectation is that programs shouldn't mix classic and file-private
> > > locks, but Glenn Skinner pointed out to me that that may occur at times
> > > even if the programmer isn't aware.
> > > 
> > > Suppose we have a program that uses file-private locks. That program
> > > then links in a library that uses classic POSIX locks. If those locks
> > > end up conflicting and one is using blocking locks, then the program
> > > could end up deadlocked.
> > > 
> > > Try to catch this situation in posix_locks_deadlock by looking for the
> > > case where the blocking lock was set by the same process but has a
> > > different type, and have the kernel return EDEADLK if that occurs.
> > > 
> > > This check is not perfect. You could (in principle) have a threaded
> > > process that is using classic locks in one thread and file-private locks
> > > in another. That's not necessarily a deadlockable situation but this
> > > check would cause an EDEADLK return in that case.
> > > 
> > > By the same token, you could also have a file-private lock that was
> > > inherited across a fork(). If the inheriting process ends up blocking on
> > > that while trying to set a classic POSIX lock then this check would miss
> > > it and the program would deadlock.
> > 
> > If the caller's not prepared for the library to use classic posix locks,
> > then it's not going to know how to recover from this EDEADLCK either, is
> > it?
> > 
> 
> Well, callers should be aware of that if we take this change. The
> semantics aren't yet set in stone...
> 
> > I guess I don't understand how this helps anyone.
> > 
> > Has it ever made sense for a library function and its caller to both use
> > classic posix locking on the same file without any coordination?
> > 
> 
> Not really, but that doesn't mean that it isn't done... ;)
> 
> > Besides the first-close problem there's the problem that locks merge, so
> > for example you can't hold your own lock across a call to a function
> > that grabs and drops a lock on the same file.
> > 
> 
> It depends, but you're basically correct...
> 
> It's likely that if the above situation occurred with a program using
> classic locks, then those locks were silently lost at times. It's also
> plausible that when it occurs that no one is aware of it due to the way
> POSIX locks work.
> 
> If the program switched to using file-private locks and the library
> stays using classic locks (or vice versa), you then potentially trade
> that silent loss of locks for a deadlock (since classic and
> file-private locks always conflict).
> 
> So, the idea would be to try to catch that situation explicitly and
> return a hard error instead of deadlocking. Unfortunately, it's a
> little tough to do that in all cases so all this does is try to catch a
> subset of them.
> 
> Will it be helpful in the long run? I'm not sure. It seems unlikely to
> harm legit use cases though, and might catch some problematic
> situations. I can drop this if that's the consensus however.

As a way to tell you your program is using the interface in a
fundamentally buggy way, maybe hanging isn't even any worse than
returning an error.

I'd rather stick with the simpler-to-document behavior ("file-private &
classic locks always conflict") absent a stronger argument to the
contrary.

--b.

      parent reply	other threads:[~2014-03-04 20:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-04 19:10 [PATCH] locks: try to catch potential deadlock between file-private and classic locks from same process Jeff Layton
2014-03-04 19:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-04 19:35 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-03-04 20:14   ` Jeff Layton
2014-03-04 20:19     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-04 20:37       ` Jeff Layton
2014-03-04 20:40         ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-03-04 20:44           ` Jeff Layton
2014-03-04 20:52         ` Trond Myklebust
2014-03-04 21:14           ` Dr Fields James Bruce
2014-03-04 21:24             ` Jeff Layton
2014-03-04 22:42             ` Trond Myklebust
2014-03-04 22:56               ` Dr Fields James Bruce
2014-03-04 23:50                 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-03-06 18:41                   ` Dr Fields James Bruce
2014-03-06 18:58                     ` Trond Myklebust
2014-03-04 21:21           ` Jeff Layton
2014-03-04 20:35     ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]

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