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From: One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>
Cc: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Hugh Dickins" <hughd@google.com>,
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	"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <greg@kroah.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] File Sealing & memfd_create()
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:41:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140320144127.1d411f26@alan.etchedpixels.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANq1E4TuiU6_J=N0WoPav=0AxOJ9G1w+FGvO15kmGP76i+-caw@mail.gmail.com>

> My first idea was to add MFD_ALLOW_SEALING as memfd_create() flag,
> which enables the sealing-API for that file. Then I looked at POSIX

This actually seems the most sensible to me. The reason being that if I
have some existing used object there is no way on earth I can be sure who
has existing references to it, and we don't have revoke() to fix that.

So it pretty much has to be a new object in a sane programming model.

> mandatory locking and noticed that it provides similar restrictions on
> _all_ files. Mandatory locks can be more easily removed, but an

The fact someone got it past a standards body doesn't make it a good idea.

> attacker could just re-apply them in a loop, so that's not really an
> argument. Furthermore, sealing requires _write_ access so I wonder
> what kind of DoS attacks are possible with sealing that are not
> already possible with write access? And sealing is only possible if no
> writable, shared mapping exists. So even if an attacker seals a file,
> all that happens is EPERM, not SIGBUS (still a possible
> denial-of-service scenario).

I think you want two things at minimum

owner to seal
root can always override

I would query the name too. Right now your assumption is 'shmem only' but
that might change with other future use cases or types (eg some driver
file handles) so SHMEM_ in the fcntl might become misleading.

Whether you want some way to undo a seal without an exclusive reference as
the file owner is another question.

Alan

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-20 14:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-19 19:06 [PATCH 0/6] File Sealing & memfd_create() David Herrmann
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH 1/6] fs: fix i_writecount on shmem and friends David Herrmann
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH 2/6] shm: add sealing API David Herrmann
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH 3/6] shm: add memfd_create() syscall David Herrmann
2014-03-20  8:47   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2014-03-20  9:01     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-03-20 11:29       ` David Herrmann
2014-03-20 11:50         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-03-20 19:22   ` John Stultz
2014-04-02 13:38   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-04-02 14:18     ` David Herrmann
2014-04-02 14:52       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-04-10 19:07     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH 4/6] selftests: add memfd_create() + sealing tests David Herrmann
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH man-pages 5/6] fcntl.2: document SHMEM_SET/GET_SEALS commands David Herrmann
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH man-pages 6/6] memfd_create.2: add memfd_create() man-page David Herrmann
2014-03-20  2:55 ` [PATCH 0/6] File Sealing & memfd_create() Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-03-20  3:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-03-20  8:07   ` David Herrmann
2014-03-20 14:41     ` One Thousand Gnomes [this message]
2014-03-20 15:12       ` David Herrmann
2014-03-20 15:26         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-20 15:32 ` tytso
2014-03-20 15:39   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-20 15:48   ` David Herrmann
2014-03-20 16:38     ` tytso
2014-04-10 19:14       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 20:32         ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-10 20:37           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 20:49             ` David Herrmann
2014-04-10 21:16               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 22:57                 ` David Herrmann
2014-04-10 23:05                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 23:16                     ` David Herrmann
2014-04-10 23:32                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-20 15:03             ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-17  9:48             ` Florian Weimer
2014-06-17 16:21               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 14:45   ` Colin Walters
2014-04-10 19:15     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 19:45       ` Colin Walters
2014-04-11  6:09         ` Alex Elsayed
2014-04-08 13:00 ` Florian Weimer
2014-04-09 21:31   ` David Herrmann
2014-04-22  9:10     ` Florian Weimer
2014-04-22 11:55       ` David Herrmann
2014-04-22 12:44         ` Florian Weimer
2014-04-22 12:55           ` David Herrmann
2014-04-10 19:17   ` Andy Lutomirski

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