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From: tytso@mit.edu
To: David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] File Sealing & memfd_create()
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 12:38:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140320163806.GA10440@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANq1E4SUXrzAV8FS8HVYxnRVb1oOR6HSTyucJzyFs5PuS5Y88A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 04:48:30PM +0100, David Herrmann wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 4:32 PM,  <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> > Why not make sealing an attribute of the "struct file", and enforce it
> > at the VFS layer?  That way all file system objects would have access
> > to sealing interface, and for memfd_shmem, you can't get another
> > struct file pointing at the object, the security properties would be
> > identical.
> 
> Sealing as introduced here is an inode-attribute, not "struct file".
> This is intentional. For instance, a gfx-client can get a read-only FD
> via /proc/self/fd/ and pass it to the compositor so it can never
> overwrite the contents (unless the compositor has write-access to the
> inode itself, in which case it can just re-open it read-write).

Hmm, good point.  I had forgotten about the /proc/self/fd hole.
Hmm... what if we have a SEAL_PROC which forces the permissions of
/proc/self/fd to be 000?

So if it is a property of the attribute, SEAL_WRITE and SEAL_GROW is
basically equivalent to using chattr to set the immutable and
append-only attribute, except for the "you can't undo the seal unless
you have exclusive access to the inode" magic.

That does make it pretty memfd_create specific and not a very general
API, which is a little unfortunate; hence why I'm trying to explore
ways of making a bit more generic and hopefully useful for more use
cases.

Cheers,

					- Ted

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-20 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-19 19:06 [PATCH 0/6] File Sealing & memfd_create() David Herrmann
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH 1/6] fs: fix i_writecount on shmem and friends David Herrmann
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH 2/6] shm: add sealing API David Herrmann
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH 3/6] shm: add memfd_create() syscall David Herrmann
2014-03-20  8:47   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2014-03-20  9:01     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-03-20 11:29       ` David Herrmann
2014-03-20 11:50         ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-03-20 19:22   ` John Stultz
2014-04-02 13:38   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-04-02 14:18     ` David Herrmann
2014-04-02 14:52       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-04-10 19:07     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH 4/6] selftests: add memfd_create() + sealing tests David Herrmann
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH man-pages 5/6] fcntl.2: document SHMEM_SET/GET_SEALS commands David Herrmann
2014-03-19 19:06 ` [PATCH man-pages 6/6] memfd_create.2: add memfd_create() man-page David Herrmann
2014-03-20  2:55 ` [PATCH 0/6] File Sealing & memfd_create() Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-03-20  3:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-03-20  8:07   ` David Herrmann
2014-03-20 14:41     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-20 15:12       ` David Herrmann
2014-03-20 15:26         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-20 15:32 ` tytso
2014-03-20 15:39   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-20 15:48   ` David Herrmann
2014-03-20 16:38     ` tytso [this message]
2014-04-10 19:14       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 20:32         ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-10 20:37           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 20:49             ` David Herrmann
2014-04-10 21:16               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 22:57                 ` David Herrmann
2014-04-10 23:05                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 23:16                     ` David Herrmann
2014-04-10 23:32                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-20 15:03             ` Pavel Machek
2014-06-17  9:48             ` Florian Weimer
2014-06-17 16:21               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 14:45   ` Colin Walters
2014-04-10 19:15     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-10 19:45       ` Colin Walters
2014-04-11  6:09         ` Alex Elsayed
2014-04-08 13:00 ` Florian Weimer
2014-04-09 21:31   ` David Herrmann
2014-04-22  9:10     ` Florian Weimer
2014-04-22 11:55       ` David Herrmann
2014-04-22 12:44         ` Florian Weimer
2014-04-22 12:55           ` David Herrmann
2014-04-10 19:17   ` Andy Lutomirski

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