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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Junxiao Bi <junxiao.bi@oracle.com>,
	Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	Devel FS Linux <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] SUNRPC: Fix memory reclaim deadlocks in rpciod
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 12:33:46 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140909123346.434f0443@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140904135427.GA14548@dhcp22.suse.cz>

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On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 15:54:27 +0200 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz> wrote:

> [Sorry for jumping in so late - I've been busy last days]
> 
> On Wed 27-08-14 16:36:44, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 08:00:20PM -0400, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Trond Myklebust
> > > <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> [...]
> > > >> wait_on_page_writeback() is a hammer, and we need to be better about
> > > >> this once we have per-memcg dirty writeback and throttling, but I
> > > >> think that really misses the point.  Even if memcg writeback waiting
> > > >> were smarter, any length of time spent waiting for yourself to make
> > > >> progress is absurd.  We just shouldn't be solving deadlock scenarios
> > > >> through arbitrary timeouts on one side.  If you can't wait for IO to
> > > >> finish, you shouldn't be passing __GFP_IO.
> 
> Exactly!

This is overly simplistic.
The code that cannot wait may be further up the call chain and not in a
position to avoid passing __GFP_IO.
In many case it isn't that "you can't wait for IO" in general, but that you
cannot wait for one specific IO request.

wait_on_page_writeback() waits for a specific IO and so is dangerous.
congestion_wait() or similar waits for IO in general and so is much safer.

NeilBrown


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  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-09  2:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-22  7:55 rpciod deadlock issue Junxiao Bi
     [not found] ` <53F6F772.6020708-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-22 22:49   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] SUNRPC: Fix memory reclaim deadlocks in rpciod Trond Myklebust
2014-08-22 22:49     ` [PATCH v2 2/2] NFS: Ensure that rpciod does not trigger reclaim writebacks Trond Myklebust
     [not found]     ` <1408747772-37938-1-git-send-email-trond.myklebust-7I+n7zu2hftEKMMhf/gKZA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25  5:34       ` [PATCH v2 1/2] SUNRPC: Fix memory reclaim deadlocks in rpciod Junxiao Bi
2014-08-25  6:48       ` NeilBrown
     [not found]         ` <20140825164852.50723141-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26  5:43           ` Junxiao Bi
2014-08-26  6:21             ` NeilBrown
2014-08-26  6:49               ` Junxiao Bi
2014-08-26  7:04                 ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                   ` <20140826170410.20560764-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26  7:23                     ` Junxiao Bi
2014-08-26 10:53           ` Mel Gorman
2014-08-26 12:58             ` Trond Myklebust
2014-08-26 13:26               ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]                 ` <20140826132624.GU17696-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 23:19                   ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                     ` <20140826231938.GA13889-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 23:51                       ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                         ` <CAHQdGtRPsVFVfph5OcsZk_+WYPPJ-MpE2myZfXAb3jq6fuM4zw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27  0:00                           ` Trond Myklebust
2014-08-27 15:36                             ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]                               ` <20140827153644.GF12374-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 16:15                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-08-28  8:30                                   ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]                                     ` <20140828083053.GJ12374-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-28  8:49                                       ` Junxiao Bi
2014-08-28  9:25                                         ` Mel Gorman
2014-09-04 13:54                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-09  2:33                                   ` NeilBrown [this message]
2014-09-10 13:48                                     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                       ` <20140910134842.GG25219-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-10 23:57                                         ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                                           ` <20140911095743.1ed87519-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-11  8:50                                             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                                               ` <20140911085046.GC22042-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-11 10:53                                                 ` NeilBrown
2014-08-27  1:43                       ` NeilBrown
2014-08-25  6:05   ` rpciod deadlock issue NeilBrown
     [not found]     ` <20140825160501.433b3e9e-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25  6:15       ` NeilBrown

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