From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.com>,
Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Junxiao Bi <junxiao.bi@oracle.com>,
Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
Devel FS Linux <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] SUNRPC: Fix memory reclaim deadlocks in rpciod
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 12:33:46 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140909123346.434f0443@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140904135427.GA14548@dhcp22.suse.cz>
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2014 15:54:27 +0200 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz> wrote:
> [Sorry for jumping in so late - I've been busy last days]
>
> On Wed 27-08-14 16:36:44, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 08:00:20PM -0400, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Trond Myklebust
> > > <trond.myklebust@primarydata.com> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> [...]
> > > >> wait_on_page_writeback() is a hammer, and we need to be better about
> > > >> this once we have per-memcg dirty writeback and throttling, but I
> > > >> think that really misses the point. Even if memcg writeback waiting
> > > >> were smarter, any length of time spent waiting for yourself to make
> > > >> progress is absurd. We just shouldn't be solving deadlock scenarios
> > > >> through arbitrary timeouts on one side. If you can't wait for IO to
> > > >> finish, you shouldn't be passing __GFP_IO.
>
> Exactly!
This is overly simplistic.
The code that cannot wait may be further up the call chain and not in a
position to avoid passing __GFP_IO.
In many case it isn't that "you can't wait for IO" in general, but that you
cannot wait for one specific IO request.
wait_on_page_writeback() waits for a specific IO and so is dangerous.
congestion_wait() or similar waits for IO in general and so is much safer.
NeilBrown
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Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-08-22 7:55 rpciod deadlock issue Junxiao Bi
[not found] ` <53F6F772.6020708-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-22 22:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] SUNRPC: Fix memory reclaim deadlocks in rpciod Trond Myklebust
2014-08-22 22:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] NFS: Ensure that rpciod does not trigger reclaim writebacks Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1408747772-37938-1-git-send-email-trond.myklebust-7I+n7zu2hftEKMMhf/gKZA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25 5:34 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] SUNRPC: Fix memory reclaim deadlocks in rpciod Junxiao Bi
2014-08-25 6:48 ` NeilBrown
[not found] ` <20140825164852.50723141-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 5:43 ` Junxiao Bi
2014-08-26 6:21 ` NeilBrown
2014-08-26 6:49 ` Junxiao Bi
2014-08-26 7:04 ` NeilBrown
[not found] ` <20140826170410.20560764-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 7:23 ` Junxiao Bi
2014-08-26 10:53 ` Mel Gorman
2014-08-26 12:58 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-08-26 13:26 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20140826132624.GU17696-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 23:19 ` Johannes Weiner
[not found] ` <20140826231938.GA13889-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 23:51 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <CAHQdGtRPsVFVfph5OcsZk_+WYPPJ-MpE2myZfXAb3jq6fuM4zw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 0:00 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-08-27 15:36 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20140827153644.GF12374-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 16:15 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-08-28 8:30 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <20140828083053.GJ12374-Et1tbQHTxzrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-28 8:49 ` Junxiao Bi
2014-08-28 9:25 ` Mel Gorman
2014-09-04 13:54 ` Michal Hocko
2014-09-09 2:33 ` NeilBrown [this message]
2014-09-10 13:48 ` Michal Hocko
[not found] ` <20140910134842.GG25219-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-10 23:57 ` NeilBrown
[not found] ` <20140911095743.1ed87519-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-11 8:50 ` Michal Hocko
[not found] ` <20140911085046.GC22042-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-11 10:53 ` NeilBrown
2014-08-27 1:43 ` NeilBrown
2014-08-25 6:05 ` rpciod deadlock issue NeilBrown
[not found] ` <20140825160501.433b3e9e-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25 6:15 ` NeilBrown
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