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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Andreas Gruenbacher <agruenba@redhat.com>
Cc: Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Lsf-pc] [LSF/MM ATTEND] Richacls
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 12:40:29 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150113174029.GA4156@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54B5548E.5030808@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 06:23:26PM +0100, Andreas Gruenbacher wrote:
> On 01/13/2015 05:48 PM, Jeremy Allison wrote:
> >My understanding of Christoph's objection (although I'm sure
> >he can chime in himself :-) was that he wanted to see POSIX
> >ACLs reworked as a mapping on top of RichACLs, so that ultimately
> >RichACLs would be the only on-disk format of the EA.
> >
> >I think that is doable, as I think any POSIX ACL can be represented
> >as an underlying RichACL, just not the reverse.
> 
> On of the differences is that permissions in POSIX ACLs do
> accumulate, while in NFSv4 and CIFS ACLs, and therefore also
> richacls, they do not. So the two models are really not
> interchangeable, however annoying that may be.
> 
> For example, with the following POSIX ACL, a non-root process in
> group 5001 and 5002 would not be allowed to open f with O_RDWR, only
> with O_RDONLY *or* O_WRONLY.
> 
>   # file: f
>   # owner: root
>   # group: root
>   user::rw-
>   group::rw-
>   group:5001:r--
>   group:5002:-w-
>   mask::rw-
>   other::---
> 
> In all the other ACL models, the process would be allowed to open f
> with O_RDWR.

If we modified the behavior to permit O_RDWR in this case, would that
cause anyone a problem?

> The rationale for this behavior in POSIX ACLs was / is consistency
> with how the traditional POSIX file permission model works --
> determine which of the (three) sets of permissions applies to a
> process, then check only that set.

The "consistency" leads to kind of weird corner case here.

--b.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-13 17:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1626890778.1513173.1421087867777.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com>
2015-01-12 21:06 ` [LSF/MM ATTEND] Richacls Andreas Gruenbacher
2015-01-12 21:54   ` Jeremy Allison
2015-01-12 22:30   ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-01-13 10:14     ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2015-01-13 15:07       ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2015-01-13 16:48         ` Jeremy Allison
2015-01-13 17:23           ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2015-01-13 17:29             ` Jeremy Allison
2015-01-13 17:40             ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2015-01-13 18:04               ` Jeremy Allison
2015-01-13 19:53                 ` Frank Filz
2015-01-13 20:24                   ` 'J. Bruce Fields'
2015-01-13 20:26                   ` Jeremy Allison
2015-01-13 20:30                     ` Jeremy Allison
2015-01-13 20:35                       ` Frank Filz
2015-01-14  7:57                   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2015-01-13 21:04               ` Jan Kara
2015-01-13 21:16                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-01-13 21:20                   ` Jeremy Allison
2015-01-13 21:27                     ` Frank Filz
2015-01-13 21:31                   ` Jan Kara
2015-01-14  8:53                     ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2015-01-14 12:01                       ` Jeff Layton
2015-01-14 16:11                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-01-14 17:21                           ` Frank Filz
2015-01-23  5:31   ` Steve French

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