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From: Miklos Szeredi <miklos-sUDqSbJrdHQHWmgEVkV9KA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-man <linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Documenting RENAME_WHITEOUT
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2015 11:45:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150309104556.GA2052@tucsk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54FC0A53.5060804-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 09:37:39AM +0100, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 03/06/2015 10:44 PM, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 05:11:45PM +0100, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:01:08AM +0100, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> >>> Hi Miklos,
> >>>
> >>> I just noticed that your RENAME_WHITEOUT flag went into Linux 3.18:
> >>> commit 0d7a855526dd672e114aff2ac22b60fc6f155b08
> >>> commit 787fb6bc9682ec7c05fb5d9561b57100fbc1cc41
> >>>
> >>> Would you be willing to write some text for the rename(2)/renameat2(2)
> >>> man page that described this flag. In that text it would be great to
> >>> have an explanation of what a whiteout is and why they are useful.
> >>
> >> Hi Michael,
> >>
> >> Sorry for the delay...
> >>
> >>   RENAME_WHITEOUT is a special operation, that only makes sense for
> >>   overlay/union type filesystem implementations.  Currently it is used
> >>   internally by the overlay filesystem.
> > 
> > However, it is exposed to userspace by renameat2, and filesystem
> > developers still need to know it's exact semantics documented so
> > they can implement it.
> > 
> >>   Specifying RENAME_WHITEOUT will create a "whiteout" object at the source of
> >>   the rename at the same time as performing the rename.  The whole operation is
> >>   still atomic, so if the rename succeeds then the whiteout will also have been
> >>   created.
> >>
> >>   A "whiteout" is an object that has special meaning in union/overlay type file
> >>   system constructs, in these constructs multiple layers exists and only the top
> >>   one is ever modified.  A whiteout on an upper layer will effectively hide the
> >>   matching file on the lower layer, making it appear if the file didn't exist.
> >>
> >>   When a file that exists on the lower layer is renamed, the file is first
> >>   copied up (if not already on the upper layer) and then renamed on the upper,
> >>   read-write layer.  At the same time the source file needs to be "whiteouted".
> >>   The whole operation needs to be done atomically.
> > 
> > This doesn't explain exactly what the RENAME_WHITEOUT operation is
> > supposed to do. It explains how overlayfs uses them, not the
> > semantics and behaviour of RENAME_WHITEOUT. e.g. source
> > restrictions, target restrictions, can you RENAME_WHITEOUT over
> > another whiteout, etc. I've noticed these restrictions are very
> > different from other rename operations, but I don't know whether
> > that is ext4 implementation bugs or intentional because there is no
> > documentation or regression tests in xfstests for it...
> 
> What Dave said!
> 
> Miklos, AFAICS, RENAME_WHITEOUT is user-space visible. Would you be 
> willing to write some piece for the man page to explain things
> from a user-space perspective?

The text explains why whiteouts are useful.  That's what you asked me, so that's
what I wrote...

If that's not interesting we can just leave that part out:

  Specifying RENAME_WHITEOUT will create a "whiteout" object at the source of
  the rename at the same time as performing the rename.  The whole operation is
  still atomic, so if the rename succeeds then the whiteout will also have been
  created.

  The whiteout is represented as a char device with 0,0 device number.
  RENAME_WHITEOUT needs the same privileges as creating a device node
  (CAP_MKNOD) and will fail with EPERM error if that capability is missing.

  If RENAME_WHITEOUT is specified together wuth RENAME_EXCHANGE, then the rename
  with fail with EINVAL error.

That's it.  No other special behavior relative to normal rename.

Thanks,
Miklos
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-09 10:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-29 10:01 Documenting RENAME_WHITEOUT Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-20  7:11 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found] ` <CAKgNAkiog0S5kHYNb_4+d2ZXcA-nPw-cBsuNG03AyEPt3K34nw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-06 16:11   ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]     ` <20150306161145.GA13649-YynjPCA0bi1olqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-06 21:44       ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-08  8:37         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]           ` <54FC0A53.5060804-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-09 10:45             ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
2015-05-06 14:17       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-05-06 14:49         ` Miklos Szeredi
2015-05-06 15:46           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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