From: josh@joshtriplett.org
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Thiago Macieira <thiago.macieira@intel.com>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] clone4: Introduce new CLONE_FD flag to get task exit notification via fd
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:20:52 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150313222052.GC10954@cloud> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVkZVa6zsd6gpW_AnQSO2cC___U8M3Dc7c6=PJdEiT9Pg@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 02:34:58PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:57 PM, <josh@joshtriplett.org> wrote:
> > A process launching a new process with CLONE_FD is explicitly requesting
> > that the process be automatically reaped without any other process
> > having to wait on it. The task needs to not become a zombie, because
> > otherwise, it'll show up in waitpid(-1, ...) calls in the parent
> > process, which would break the ability to use this to completely
> > encapsulate process management within a library and not interfere with
> > the parent's process handling via SIGCHLD and wait{pid,3,4}.
>
> Wouldn't the correct behavior be to keep it alive as a zombie but
> *not* show it in waitpid, etc?
That's a significant change to the semantics of waitpid. And then
someone would still need to wait on the process, which we'd like to
avoid. (We don't want to have magic "reap on read(2)" semantics,
because among other things, what if we add a means in the future to get
an additional file descriptor corresponding to an existing process?)
- Josh Triplett
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-03-13 22:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-03-13 1:40 [PATCH 0/6] CLONE_FD: Task exit notification via file descriptor Josh Triplett
2015-03-13 1:40 ` [PATCH 1/6] clone: Support passing tls argument via C rather than pt_regs magic Josh Triplett
2015-03-13 1:40 ` [PATCH 3/6] Introduce a new clone4 syscall with more flag bits and extensible arguments Josh Triplett
2015-03-13 1:40 ` [PATCH 4/6] signal: Factor out a helper function to process task_struct exit_code Josh Triplett
[not found] ` <cover.1426180120.git.josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-13 1:40 ` [PATCH 2/6] x86: Opt into HAVE_COPY_THREAD_TLS, for both 32-bit and 64-bit Josh Triplett
[not found] ` <cf79b9f0c40314e6bfda7c634e378015bd7ba037.1426180120.git.josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-13 22:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-13 22:31 ` josh
2015-03-13 22:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWspvNcEYxwbo1+ifXSj7Qj7YdcRgmNvZ1RaBrUAK12Zw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-13 22:43 ` josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA
2015-03-13 22:45 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrW3kJSVz4ffVC6YdB+ELukhOHNgPFKZSziMq5nn_Nq3Zg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-13 23:01 ` josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA
2015-03-13 1:40 ` [PATCH 5/6] fs: Make alloc_fd non-private Josh Triplett
2015-03-13 2:07 ` [PATCH 0/6] CLONE_FD: Task exit notification via file descriptor Thiago Macieira
2015-03-13 16:05 ` David Drysdale
2015-03-13 19:42 ` Josh Triplett
2015-03-13 21:16 ` Thiago Macieira
2015-03-13 21:44 ` josh
2015-03-13 21:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrXH+Ui1XqVZjFB=8vDpJLCYeVf+XNUPGWNfwDsNKi_nKg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-13 21:45 ` josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA
2015-03-13 21:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWwkdWkNCsrcSAn+7f9SJCuYA-TV9=AygWMhXCC9Njp9Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-14 1:11 ` Thiago Macieira
2015-03-14 19:03 ` Thiago Macieira
2015-03-14 19:29 ` Josh Triplett
2015-03-15 10:18 ` David Drysdale
2015-03-15 10:59 ` Josh Triplett
2015-03-15 8:55 ` David Drysdale
2015-03-13 1:41 ` [PATCH 6/6] clone4: Introduce new CLONE_FD flag to get task exit notification via fd Josh Triplett
2015-03-13 16:21 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-03-13 19:57 ` josh
2015-03-13 21:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-13 22:20 ` josh [this message]
2015-03-13 22:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrVRqgsbpi9pPRwy42cuXiDzyPgWRJmfSRSQM7eGFfsZYA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-13 22:34 ` josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA
2015-03-13 22:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-03-14 14:14 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20150314141414.GA11062-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-14 14:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-03-14 18:38 ` Thiago Macieira
2015-03-14 18:54 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20150314185424.GA6813-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-14 22:03 ` Josh Triplett
2015-03-14 22:26 ` Thiago Macieira
2015-03-14 19:01 ` Josh Triplett
2015-03-14 19:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20150314191836.GA8416-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-14 19:47 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20150314194721.GA9654-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-14 20:14 ` Josh Triplett
2015-03-14 20:30 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20150314203029.GA11656-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-14 22:14 ` Josh Triplett
2015-03-14 20:03 ` Josh Triplett
2015-03-14 20:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-03-14 22:09 ` Josh Triplett
[not found] ` <9c39c576e1d9a9912b4aec54d833a73a84d2f592.1426180120.git.josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-14 14:35 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20150314143558.GB12086-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-14 19:15 ` Josh Triplett
2015-03-14 19:24 ` Oleg Nesterov
[not found] ` <20150314192456.GA8707-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-14 19:48 ` Josh Triplett
2015-03-13 1:41 ` [PATCH] clone4.2: New manpage documenting clone4(2) Josh Triplett
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