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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
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	Linus Torvalds <to
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/10] evacuate struct page from the block layer, introduce __pfn_t
Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 21:50:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150506205033.GA889@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150506200219.40425.74411.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com>

On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 04:04:53PM -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
> Changes since v1 [1]:
> 
> 1/ added include/asm-generic/pfn.h for the __pfn_t definition and helpers.
> 
> 2/ added kmap_atomic_pfn_t()
> 
> 3/ rebased on v4.1-rc2
> 
> [1]: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=142653770511970&w=2
> 
> ---
> 
> A lead in note, this looks scarier than it is.  Most of the code thrash
> is automated via Coccinelle.  Also the subtle differences behind an
> 'unsigned long pfn' and a '__pfn_t' are mitigated by type-safety and a
> Kconfig option (default disabled CONFIG_PMEM_IO) that globally controls
> whether a pfn and a __pfn_t are equivalent.
> 
> The motivation for this change is persistent memory and the desire to
> use it not only via the pmem driver, but also as a memory target for I/O
> (DAX, O_DIRECT, DMA, RDMA, etc) in other parts of the kernel.  Aside
> from the pmem driver and DAX, persistent memory is not able to be used
> in these I/O scenarios due to the lack of a backing struct page, i.e.
> persistent memory is not part of the memmap.  This patchset takes the
> position that the solution is to teach I/O paths that want to operate on
> persistent memory to do so by referencing a __pfn_t.  The alternatives
> are discussed in the changelog for "[PATCH v2 01/10] arch: introduce
> __pfn_t for persistent memory i/o", copied here:
> 
>     Alternatives:
>     
>     1/ Provide struct page coverage for persistent memory in
>        DRAM.  The expectation is that persistent memory capacities make
>        this untenable in the long term.
>     
>     2/ Provide struct page coverage for persistent memory with
>        persistent memory.  While persistent memory may have near DRAM
>        performance characteristics it may not have the same
>        write-endurance of DRAM.  Given the update frequency of struct
>        page objects it may not be suitable for persistent memory.
>     
>     3/ Dynamically allocate struct page.  This appears to be on
>        the order of the complexity of converting code paths to use
>        __pfn_t references instead of struct page, and the amount of
>        setup required to establish a valid struct page reference is
>        mostly wasted when the only usage in the block stack is to
>        perform a page_to_pfn() conversion for dma-mapping.  Instances
>        of kmap() / kmap_atomic() usage appear to be the only occasions
>        in the block stack where struct page is non-trivially used.  A
>        new kmap_atomic_pfn_t() is proposed to handle those cases.

*grumble*

What are you going to do with things like iov_iter_get_pages()?  Long-term,
that is, after you go for "this pfn has no struct page for it"...

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-06 20:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-06 20:04 [PATCH v2 00/10] evacuate struct page from the block layer, introduce __pfn_t Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:04 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] arch: introduce __pfn_t for persistent memory i/o Dan Williams
2015-05-07 14:55   ` Stephen Rothwell
2015-05-08  0:21     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] block: add helpers for accessing a bio_vec page Dan Williams
2015-05-08 15:59   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] block: convert .bv_page to .bv_pfn bio_vec Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] dma-mapping: allow archs to optionally specify a ->map_pfn() operation Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] scatterlist: use sg_phys() Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] scatterlist: support "page-less" (__pfn_t only) entries Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] x86: support dma_map_pfn() Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] x86: support kmap_atomic_pfn_t() for persistent memory Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:20   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] dax: convert to __pfn_t Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] block: base support for pfn i/o Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:50 ` Al Viro [this message]
2015-05-06 22:10 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] evacuate struct page from the block layer, introduce __pfn_t Linus Torvalds
2015-05-06 23:47   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07  0:19     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-07  2:36       ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07  9:02         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 14:42           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 15:52             ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 17:52               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 15:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-07 15:40           ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 15:58             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-07 16:03               ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 17:36                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 17:42                   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 17:56                     ` Dave Hansen
2015-05-07 19:11                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 19:36                         ` Jerome Glisse
2015-05-07 19:48                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 19:53                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 20:18                               ` Jerome Glisse
2015-05-08  5:37                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08  9:20                                   ` Al Viro
2015-05-08  9:26                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 10:00                                       ` Al Viro
2015-05-08 13:45                         ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-08 14:05                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 14:40                             ` John Stoffel
2015-05-08 15:54                               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-08 16:28                                 ` Al Viro
2015-05-08 16:59                                 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-09  1:14                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-09  3:02                                     ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-09  3:52                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-09 21:56                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-09  8:45                                   ` "Directly mapped persistent memory page cache" Ingo Molnar
2015-05-09 15:51                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-10 10:07                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-09 18:24                                     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-10  9:46                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-10 17:29                                         ` Dan Williams
2015-05-11  8:25                                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-11  9:18                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-11 10:12                                         ` Zuckerman, Boris
2015-05-11 10:38                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-11 14:51                                             ` Jeff Moyer
2015-05-12  0:53                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-12 14:47                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2015-06-05  5:43                                             ` Dan Williams
2015-05-11 14:31                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2015-05-11 20:01                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2015-05-08 20:40                                 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] evacuate struct page from the block layer, introduce __pfn_t John Stoffel
2015-05-08 14:54                             ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-07 17:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-07 20:06                   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 16:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-07 16:41         ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 18:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 19:44             ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 17:30         ` Jerome Glisse

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