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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: "Zuckerman, Boris" <borisz@hp.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@redhat.com>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Alasdair Kergon <agk@redhat.com>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm
Subject: Re: "Directly mapped persistent memory page cache"
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 12:38:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150511103802.GA18700@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d2eje8o4h2xfg2xk74stiixd.1431336929400@email.android.com>


* Zuckerman, Boris <borisz@hp.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Data transformation (EC, encryption, etc) is commonly done by 
> storage systems today. [...]

That's a strawman argument: if you do encryption/compression in the 
storage space then you don't need complex struct page descriptors for 
the storage space: as the resulting content won't be mappable nor 
DMA-able into from high level APIs...

My proposal adds a RAM-integrated usage model for devices that are 
directly mapped in physical RAM space (such as persistent memory), 
where integration with high level Linux APIs is possible and 
desirable.

If pmem is used as a front-side cache for a larger storage system 
behind, then the disk side can still be encrypted/compressed/etc.

( Also note that if the pmem hardware itself adds an encryption pass 
  then actual stored content might still be encrypted. )

> [...] But let's think about other less common existing and PM 
> specific upcoming features like data sharing between multiple 
> consumers (computers for example), [...]

RDMA should work fine if the pmem hardware exposes it.

> [...] support for atomicity (to avoid journaling in PM space), etc.

This too should work fine, by way of the SMP coherency protocol, if 
atomic instructions are used on the relevant metadata.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-11 10:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-06 20:04 [PATCH v2 00/10] evacuate struct page from the block layer, introduce __pfn_t Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:04 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] arch: introduce __pfn_t for persistent memory i/o Dan Williams
2015-05-07 14:55   ` Stephen Rothwell
2015-05-08  0:21     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] block: add helpers for accessing a bio_vec page Dan Williams
2015-05-08 15:59   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] block: convert .bv_page to .bv_pfn bio_vec Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] dma-mapping: allow archs to optionally specify a ->map_pfn() operation Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] scatterlist: use sg_phys() Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] scatterlist: support "page-less" (__pfn_t only) entries Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] x86: support dma_map_pfn() Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] x86: support kmap_atomic_pfn_t() for persistent memory Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:20   ` [Linux-nvdimm] " Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] dax: convert to __pfn_t Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:05 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] block: base support for pfn i/o Dan Williams
2015-05-06 20:50 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] evacuate struct page from the block layer, introduce __pfn_t Al Viro
2015-05-06 22:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-06 23:47   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07  0:19     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-07  2:36       ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07  9:02         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 14:42           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 15:52             ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 17:52               ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 15:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-07 15:40           ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 15:58             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-07 16:03               ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 17:36                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 17:42                   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 17:56                     ` Dave Hansen
2015-05-07 19:11                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 19:36                         ` Jerome Glisse
2015-05-07 19:48                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 19:53                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 20:18                               ` Jerome Glisse
2015-05-08  5:37                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08  9:20                                   ` Al Viro
2015-05-08  9:26                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 10:00                                       ` Al Viro
2015-05-08 13:45                         ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-08 14:05                           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-08 14:40                             ` John Stoffel
2015-05-08 15:54                               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-08 16:28                                 ` Al Viro
2015-05-08 16:59                                 ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-09  1:14                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-09  3:02                                     ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-09  3:52                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-09 21:56                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-09  8:45                                   ` "Directly mapped persistent memory page cache" Ingo Molnar
2015-05-09 15:51                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-05-10 10:07                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-09 18:24                                     ` Dan Williams
2015-05-10  9:46                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-10 17:29                                         ` Dan Williams
2015-05-11  8:25                                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-11  9:18                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-11 10:12                                         ` Zuckerman, Boris
2015-05-11 10:38                                           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-05-11 14:51                                             ` Jeff Moyer
2015-05-12  0:53                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-05-12 14:47                                           ` Jerome Glisse
2015-06-05  5:43                                             ` Dan Williams
2015-05-11 14:31                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2015-05-11 20:01                                       ` Jerome Glisse
2015-05-08 20:40                                 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] evacuate struct page from the block layer, introduce __pfn_t John Stoffel
2015-05-08 14:54                             ` Rik van Riel
2015-05-07 17:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-05-07 20:06                   ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 16:18       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-05-07 16:41         ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 18:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2015-05-07 19:44             ` Dan Williams
2015-05-07 17:30         ` Jerome Glisse

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