From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Ben Myers <bpm@sgi.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] freeing unlinked file indefinitely delayed
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:56:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150713195645.GR17109@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150713181751.GZ4568@sgi.com>
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 01:17:51PM -0500, Ben Myers wrote:
> > For one thing, this patch does *not* check for i_nlink at all.
>
> I agree that no checking of i_nlink has the advantage of brevity.
> Anyone who is using dentry.d_fsdata with an open_by_handle workload (if
> there are any) will be affected.
Translate, please. What does d_fsdata have to anything above?
> > For another, there's no such thing as 'filesystems internal lock' for
> > i_nlink protection - that's handled by i_mutex... And what does
> > iget() have to do with any of that?
>
> i_mutex is good enough only for local filesystems.
> Network/clustered/distributed filesystems need to take an internal lock
> to provide exclusion for this .unlink with a .link on another host.
> That's where I'm coming from with iget().
>
> Maybe plumbing i_op.unlink with another argument to return i_nlink is
> something to consider? A helper for the few filesystems that need to do
> this might be good enough in the near term.
????
a) iget() had been gone since way back
b) it never had been called by VFS - it's a filesystem's responsibility
c) again, what the hell does iget() or its replacements have to do with
dentry eviction? It does *NOT* affect dentry refcount. Never had.
d) checks for _inode_ retention in icache are done by filesystem code, which
is certainly free to use its locks. Incidentally, for normal filesystems
no locks are needed at all - everything that changes ->i_nlink is holding
a referfence to in-core inode, so in a situation when its refcount is zero
and ->i_lock is held (providing an exclusion with icache lookups), ->i_nlink
is guaranteed to be stable.
e) why would VFS possibly want to know if there are links remaining after
successful ->unlink()?
I'm sorry, but you are not making any sense...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-07-13 19:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-07-08 1:42 [RFC] freeing unliked file indefinitely delayed Al Viro
2015-07-08 2:39 ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-08 15:41 ` Ben Myers
2015-07-12 15:00 ` [RFC] freeing unlinked " Al Viro
2015-07-13 18:17 ` Ben Myers
2015-07-13 19:56 ` Al Viro [this message]
2015-07-14 0:54 ` Ben Myers
2015-07-09 11:17 ` [RFC] freeing unliked " Ian Kent
2015-07-09 11:26 ` Ian Kent
2015-07-12 15:17 ` [RFC] freeing unlinked " Al Viro
2015-07-13 2:30 ` Ian Kent
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