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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Josef Bacik <jbacik@fb.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fs-writeback: drop wb->list_lock during blk_finish_plug()
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 09:55:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150929075541.GA30097@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyrT12mdrs=gPRqfAk-w-f6-E6szAx1YQg1=QZnpoGRQg@mail.gmail.com>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> >> It gets set by preemption - and,
> >> somewhat illogically, by cond_resched().
> >
> > I suspect that was done to make cond_resched() (voluntary preemption)
> > more robust and only have a single preemption path/logic. But all that
> > was done well before I got involved.
> 
> So I think it's actually the name that is bad, not necessarily the behavior.
> 
> We tend to put "cond_resched()" (and particularly
> "cond_resched_lock()") in some fairly awkward places, and it's not
> always entirely clear that task->state == TASK_RUNNING there.
> 
> So the preemptive behavior of not *really* putting the task to sleep
> may actually be the right one. But it is rather non-intuitive given
> the name - because "cond_resched()" basically is not at all equivalent
> to "if (need_resched()) schedule()", which you'd kind of expect.
> 
> An explicit schedule will actually act on the task->state, and make us
> go to sleep. "cond_resched()"  really is just a "voluntary preemption
> point". And I think it would be better if it got named that way.

cond_preempt() perhaps? That would allude to preempt_schedule() and such, and 
would make it clearer that it's supposed to be an invariant on the sleep state 
(which schedule() is not).

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-29  7:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-11 19:37 [PATCH] fs-writeback: drop wb->list_lock during blk_finish_plug() Chris Mason
2015-09-11 20:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-11 20:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-11 20:40     ` Josef Bacik
2015-09-11 21:04       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-11 22:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-11 23:16           ` Chris Mason
2015-09-11 23:36             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-12  0:52               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-12  2:15                 ` Chris Mason
2015-09-12  2:27                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-12 23:00               ` Chris Mason
2015-09-12 23:29                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-12 23:46                   ` Chris Mason
2015-09-13 13:12                     ` Chris Mason
2015-09-13 22:56                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-13 23:12                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-14 20:06                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-16 15:16                     ` Chris Mason
2015-09-16 19:58                       ` Jan Kara
2015-09-16 20:00                         ` Chris Mason
2015-09-16 22:07                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-17  0:37                             ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-17  1:12                               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-17  2:14                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-17 19:39                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-17 22:42                                     ` Chris Mason
2015-09-17 23:08                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-17 23:56                                         ` Chris Mason
2015-09-18  0:37                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-18  1:50                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-18  5:40                                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-18  6:04                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-18  6:06                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-18 14:21                                                     ` Jens Axboe
2015-09-18 13:16                                                   ` Chris Mason
2015-09-18 14:23                                                     ` Jens Axboe
2015-09-18 15:32                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-18 15:59                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-18 16:02                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-18 16:12                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-28 14:47                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-09-28 16:08                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-29  7:55                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2015-09-18 22:17                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-21  9:24                                                     ` Jan Kara
2015-09-21 20:21                                                       ` Andrew Morton
2015-09-17 23:03                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-17 23:13                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-17  3:48                               ` Chris Mason
2015-09-17  4:30                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-09-17 12:13                                   ` Chris Mason
2015-09-11 23:06         ` Chris Mason
2015-09-11 23:13           ` Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-09-09 15:23 Chris Mason
2015-09-11 18:49 ` Jens Axboe

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