From: Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:49:46 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151014184946.GA15214@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWrHs6x+aZ7c=sySRCdzwdfUQZH_DL++vLL78NXXN+7FQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:38:13AM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> One might argue that reflink is like copy + immediate dedupe.
Not, it's not. It's all that and more, because it is an operation that
is atomic vs other writes to the file and it's an operation that either
clones the whole range or nothing. That's a very important difference.
> Also, I
> can imagine there being network protocols over which you can't really
> tell the difference between reflink and server-to-server copy.
For NFS we specificly have a CLONE and a COPY operations so that smart
servers can support the proper clone, and dumb servers still get copy
offload. Other protocols might only be able to support COPY if they
don't have a CLONE primitive. Note that a clone also always is a valid
copy, just with much simpler an at the same time more useful semantics.
Take a look at the NFSv4.2 sections for CLONE vs COPY if you're
interested.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-14 18:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-30 17:26 [PATCH v5 0/9] VFS: In-kernel copy system call Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 1/9] vfs: add copy_file_range syscall and vfs helper Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 2/9] x86: add sys_copy_file_range to syscall tables Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 3/9] btrfs: add .copy_file_range file operation Anna Schumaker
[not found] ` <1443634014-3026-1-git-send-email-Anna.Schumaker-ZwjVKphTwtPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 4/9] vfs: Copy should check len after file open mode Anna Schumaker
[not found] ` <1443634014-3026-5-git-send-email-Anna.Schumaker-ZwjVKphTwtPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11 14:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 8/9] vfs: Add vfs_copy_file_range() support for pagecache copies Anna Schumaker
2015-10-08 1:40 ` Neil Brown
2015-10-09 11:15 ` Pádraig Brady
[not found] ` <5617A1E9.1080509-V8g9lnOeT5ydJdNcDFJN0w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-13 20:25 ` Anna Schumaker
[not found] ` <561D68B9.8030209-ZwjVKphTwtPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-14 7:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <87vbai6sud.fsf-wvvUuzkyo1HefUI2i7LXDhCRmIWqnp/j@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-13 19:45 ` Anna Schumaker
[not found] ` <1443634014-3026-9-git-send-email-Anna.Schumaker-ZwjVKphTwtPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11 14:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151011142203.GA31867-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-12 23:17 ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13 3:36 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <CAHQdGtQoV0g1p2FYC1vFtFwh=jNq5n+AYOxAuSORVfbfhRY1Hg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-13 7:19 ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-13 7:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151012231749.GC11398-PTl6brltDGh4DFYR7WNSRA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-13 7:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-11-10 6:24 ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 17:59 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-10-14 18:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151014182701.GC31225-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-14 18:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWrHs6x+aZ7c=sySRCdzwdfUQZH_DL++vLL78NXXN+7FQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-14 18:49 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2015-10-14 18:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrV2ZG=EV5KLEeOERSbDjXCyaULAn0k34msSPFWvf0Tm9w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-14 19:14 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-14 19:39 ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-15 5:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 19:08 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
[not found] ` <561EA83E.8080000-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-15 6:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151015063621.GA3025-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-15 12:24 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
[not found] ` <561F9B13.7020804-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-16 5:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 11:46 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 12:02 ` Pádraig Brady
[not found] ` <5620E74F.50006-V8g9lnOeT5ydJdNcDFJN0w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-16 12:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151016122453.GB5889-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-16 12:46 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
[not found] ` <5620E3A1.90408-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-16 12:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 12:50 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-16 13:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-16 14:11 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
[not found] ` <561E980C.9010509-ZwjVKphTwtPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-14 18:11 ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-14 18:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 10/9] copy_file_range.2: New page documenting copy_file_range() Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 5/9] vfs: Copy shouldn't forbid ranges inside the same file Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151011142233.GC31867-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-14 17:37 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-10-14 18:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151014182523.GA31225-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-14 18:27 ` Anna Schumaker
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 6/9] vfs: Copy should use file_out rather than file_in Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 7/9] vfs: Remove copy_file_range mountpoint checks Anna Schumaker
2015-10-11 14:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-10-14 17:41 ` Anna Schumaker
[not found] ` <561E93C3.2090507-ZwjVKphTwtPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-14 18:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-09-30 17:26 ` [PATCH v5 9/9] btrfs: btrfs_copy_file_range() only supports reflinks Anna Schumaker
[not found] ` <1443634014-3026-10-git-send-email-Anna.Schumaker-ZwjVKphTwtPQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-11 14:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151011142939.GA30905-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-12 10:23 ` Pádraig Brady
2015-10-12 14:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151012143444.GA10156-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-12 23:41 ` Darrick J. Wong
[not found] ` <20151012234106.GD11398-PTl6brltDGh4DFYR7WNSRA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-13 7:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151013072959.GB10794-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-14 18:46 ` Darrick J. Wong
2015-10-15 6:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151015060045.GA23996-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-16 11:49 ` Chris Mason
[not found] ` <20151016114919.GB6874-DzB2rL6jT1BHfPKRx072akEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-16 12:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <20151016122544.GC5889-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-16 13:19 ` Chris Mason
2015-10-16 21:44 ` Dave Chinner
2015-10-17 13:44 ` Chris Mason
[not found] ` <20151014184608.GK850-PTl6brltDGh4DFYR7WNSRA@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-15 8:35 ` Dave Chinner
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