From: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-aio@kvack.org,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/13] aio: enabled thread based async fsync
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:56:30 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160120215630.GD12249@kvack.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160120214546.GX6033@dastard>
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 08:45:46AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> Filesystems *must take locks* in the IO path. We have to serialise
> against truncate and other operations at some point in the IO path
> (e.g. block mapping vs concurrent allocation and/or removal), and
> that can only be done sanely with sleeping locks. There is no way
> of knowing in advance if we are going to block, and so either we
> always use threads for IO submission or we accept that occasionally
> the AIO submission will block.
I never said we don't take locks. Still, we can be more intelligent
about when and where we do so. With the nonblocking pread() and pwrite()
changes being proposed elsewhere, we can do the part of the I/O that
doesn't block in the submitter, which is a huge win when possible.
As it stands today, *every* buffered write takes i_mutex immediately
on entering ->write(). That one issue alone accounts for a nearly 10x
performance difference between an O_SYNC write and an O_DIRECT write,
and using O_SYNC writes is a legitimate use-case for users who want
caching of data by the kernel (duplicating that functionality is a huge
amount of work for an application, plus if you want the cache to be
persistent between runs of an app, you have to get the kernel to do it).
-ben
> Cheers,
>
> Dave.
> --
> Dave Chinner
> david@fromorbit.com
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Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-01-11 22:06 [PATCH 00/13] aio: thread (work queue) based aio and new aio functionality Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-11 22:06 ` [PATCH 01/13] signals: distinguish signals sent due to i/o via io_send_sig() Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-11 22:06 ` [PATCH 02/13] aio: add aio_get_mm() helper Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-11 22:06 ` [PATCH 03/13] aio: for async operations, make the iter argument persistent Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-11 22:07 ` [PATCH 04/13] signals: add and use aio_get_task() to direct signals sent via io_send_sig() Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-11 22:07 ` [PATCH 05/13] fs: make do_loop_readv_writev() non-static Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-11 22:07 ` [PATCH 06/13] aio: add queue_work() based threaded aio support Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-11 22:07 ` [PATCH 07/13] aio: enabled thread based async fsync Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-12 1:11 ` Dave Chinner
2016-01-12 1:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 2:25 ` Dave Chinner
2016-01-12 2:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 3:37 ` Dave Chinner
2016-01-12 4:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 4:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 22:50 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-15 20:21 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-20 3:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-20 5:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-01-20 19:59 ` Dave Chinner
2016-01-20 20:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-20 20:44 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-20 21:45 ` Dave Chinner
2016-01-20 21:56 ` Benjamin LaHaise [this message]
2016-01-23 4:24 ` Dave Chinner
2016-01-23 4:50 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-23 22:22 ` Dave Chinner
2016-01-20 23:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-23 4:39 ` Dave Chinner
2016-03-14 17:17 ` aio openat " Benjamin LaHaise
2016-03-20 1:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-20 1:26 ` Al Viro
2016-03-20 1:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-03-20 1:55 ` Al Viro
2016-03-20 2:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-20 21:57 ` Dave Chinner
2016-01-22 15:41 ` Andres Freund
2016-01-12 22:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-01-14 9:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-01-12 1:30 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-22 15:31 ` Andres Freund
2016-01-11 22:07 ` [PATCH 08/13] aio: add support for aio poll via aio thread helper Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-11 22:07 ` [PATCH 09/13] aio: add support for async openat() Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-12 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-01-12 1:17 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-12 1:45 ` Chris Mason
2016-01-12 9:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2016-01-11 22:07 ` [PATCH 10/13] aio: add async unlinkat functionality Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-11 22:07 ` [PATCH 11/13] mm: enable __do_page_cache_readahead() to include present pages Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-11 22:07 ` [PATCH 12/13] aio: add support for aio readahead Benjamin LaHaise
2016-01-11 22:08 ` [PATCH 13/13] aio: add support for aio renameat operation Benjamin LaHaise
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