From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@linux.intel.com>
To: Jared Hulbert <jaredeh@gmail.com>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>,
Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] dax: fix bdev NULL pointer dereferences
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 19:34:16 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160203003416.GD3260@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZsKJ4rrgQNnnrdvmnTP2GcrZna83+yUV_GFBhEQ6HDKqd7HA@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 01:46:06PM -0800, Jared Hulbert wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
> >> The filesystem I'm concerned with is AXFS
> >> (https://www.kernel.org/doc/ols/2008/ols2008v1-pages-211-218.pdf).
> >> Which I've been planning on trying to merge again due to a recent
> >> resurgence of interest. The device model for AXFS is... weird. It
> >> can use one or two devices at a time of any mix of NOR MTD, NAND MTD,
> >> block, and unmanaged physical memory. It's a terribly useful model
> >> for embedded. Anyway AXFS is readonly so hacking in a read only
> >> dax_fault_nodev() and dax_file_read() would work fine, looks easy
> >> enough. But... it would be cool if similar small embedded focused RW
> >> filesystems were enabled.
> >
> > Are those also out of tree?
>
> Of course. Merging embedded filesystems is little merging regular
> filesystems except 98% of you reviewers don't want it merged.
You should at least be able to get it into staging these days. I mean,
look at some of the junk that's in staging ... and I don't think AXFS was
nearly as bad.
> IMO you're making DAX more complex by overly coupling to the bdev and
> I think it could bite you later. I submit this rework of the radix
> tree and confusion about where to get the real bdev as evidence. I'm
> guessing that it won't be the last time. It's unnecessary to couple
> it like this, and in fact is not how the vfs has been layered in the
> past.
Huh? The rework to use the radix tree for PFNs was done with one eye
firmly on your usage case. Just because I had to thread the get_block
interface through it for the moment doesn't mean that I didn't have
the "how do we get rid of get_block entirely" question on my mind.
Using get_block seemed like the right idea three years ago. I didn't
know just how fundamentally ext4 and XFS disagree on how it should be
used.
> To look at the the downside consider dax_fault(). Its called on a
> fault to a user memory map, uses the filesystems get_block() to lookup
> a sector so you can ask a block device to convert it to an address on
> a DIMM. Come on, that's awkward. Everything around dax_fault() is
> dripping with memory semantic interfaces, the dax_fault() call are
> fundamentally about memory, the pmem calls are memory, the hardware is
> memory, and yet it directly calls bdev_direct_access(). It's out of
> place.
What was out of place was the old 'get_xip_mem' in address_space
operations. Returning a kernel virtual address and a PFN from a
filesystem operation? That looks awful. All the other operations deal
in struct pages, file offsets and occasionally sectors. Of course, we
don't have a struct page, so a pfn makes sense, but the kernel virtual
address being returned was a gargantuan layering problem.
> The legacy vfs/mm code didn't have this layering problem either. Even
> filemap_fault() that dax_fault() is modeled after doesn't call any
> bdev methods directly, when it needs something it asks the filesystem
> with a ->readpage(). The precedence is that you ask the filesystem
> for what you need. Look at the get_bdev() thing you've concluded you
> need. It _almost_ makes my point. I just happen to be of the opinion
> that you don't actually want or need the bdev, you want the pfn/kaddr
> so you can flush or map or memcpy().
You want the pfn. The device driver doesn't have enough information to
give you a (coherent with userspace) kaddr. That's what (some future
arch-specific implementation of) dax_map_pfn() is for. That's why it
takes 'index' as a parameter, so you can calculate where it'll be mapped
in userspace, and determine an appropriate kernel virtual address to
use for it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-02-03 0:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-01-28 19:35 [PATCH 1/2] block: fix pfn_mkwrite() DAX fault handler Ross Zwisler
2016-01-28 19:35 ` [PATCH 2/2] dax: fix bdev NULL pointer dereferences Ross Zwisler
2016-01-28 20:21 ` Dan Williams
2016-01-28 21:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-01-29 18:28 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-01-29 23:34 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-01-30 0:18 ` Dan Williams
2016-01-31 22:44 ` Dave Chinner
2016-01-30 5:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-01-30 6:01 ` Dan Williams
2016-01-30 7:08 ` Jared Hulbert
2016-01-31 2:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-01-31 6:12 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-01-31 10:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-01-31 16:38 ` Dan Williams
2016-01-31 18:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-01-31 18:18 ` Dan Williams
2016-01-31 18:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-01-31 18:50 ` Dan Williams
2016-01-31 19:51 ` Dan Williams
2016-02-01 13:44 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-02-01 14:51 ` Jan Kara
2016-02-01 20:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-02-01 21:47 ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-02 6:06 ` Jared Hulbert
2016-02-02 6:46 ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 8:05 ` Jared Hulbert
2016-02-02 16:51 ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 21:46 ` Jared Hulbert
2016-02-03 0:34 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2016-02-03 1:21 ` Jared Hulbert
2016-02-02 11:17 ` Jan Kara
2016-02-02 16:33 ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 16:46 ` Jan Kara
2016-02-02 17:10 ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 17:34 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02 17:46 ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 17:47 ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 18:24 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02 18:46 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-02-02 18:59 ` Dan Williams
2016-02-02 20:14 ` Matthew Wilcox
2016-02-03 11:09 ` Jan Kara
2016-02-03 10:46 ` Jan Kara
2016-02-03 20:13 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-04 9:15 ` Jan Kara
2016-02-04 23:38 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-06 23:15 ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-07 5:27 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-04 19:56 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-04 20:29 ` Jan Kara
2016-02-04 22:19 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-05 22:25 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-06 23:40 ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-07 6:43 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-08 13:48 ` Jan Kara
2016-02-07 8:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-02-08 15:55 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02 18:41 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02 18:53 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02 0:02 ` Ross Zwisler
2016-02-02 7:10 ` Dave Chinner
2016-02-02 10:34 ` Jan Kara
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