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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, hch@lst.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/8] blk-wbt: add general throttling mechanism
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 20:36:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161110193641.GE31098@quack2.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51810355-fba4-5939-4365-a2586033133c@kernel.dk>

On Wed 09-11-16 12:52:59, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 11/09/2016 09:07 AM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> >On 11/09/2016 01:40 AM, Jan Kara wrote:
> >>>>So for devices with write cache, you will completely drain the device
> >>>>before waking anybody waiting to issue new requests. Isn't it too
> >>>>strict?
> >>>>In particular may_queue() will allow new writers to issue new writes
> >>>>once
> >>>>we drop below the limit so it can happen that some processes will be
> >>>>effectively starved waiting in may_queue?
> >>>
> >>>It is strict, and perhaps too strict. In testing, it's the only method
> >>>that's proven to keep the writeback caching devices in check. It will
> >>>round robin the writers, if we have more, which isn't necessarily a bad
> >>>thing. Each will get to do a burst of depth writes, then wait for a new
> >>>one.
> >>
> >>Well, I'm more concerned about a situation where one writer does a
> >>bursty write and blocks sleeping in may_queue(). Another writer
> >>produces a steady flow of write requests so that never causes the
> >>write queue to completely drain but that writer also never blocks in
> >>may_queue() when it starts queueing after write queue has somewhat
> >>drained because it never submits many requests in parallel. In such
> >>case the first writer would get starved AFAIU.
> >
> >I see what you are saying. I can modify the logic to ensure that if we
> >do have a waiter, we queue up others behind it. That should get rid of
> >that concern.
> 
> I added that - if we currently have a waiter, we'll add ourselves to the
> back of the waitqueue and wait.

OK, sounds good to me. If the write queue draining will show to be an
issue, it will be at least clearly visible with this logic.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-10 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-01 21:08 [PATCHSET] Throttled buffered writeback Jens Axboe
2016-11-01 21:08 ` [PATCH 1/8] block: add WRITE_BACKGROUND Jens Axboe
2016-11-02 14:55   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-11-02 16:22     ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-05 22:27   ` Jan Kara
2016-11-01 21:08 ` [PATCH 2/8] writeback: add wbc_to_write_flags() Jens Axboe
2016-11-02 14:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-11-01 21:08 ` [PATCH 3/8] writeback: mark background writeback as such Jens Axboe
2016-11-02 14:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-11-05 22:26   ` Jan Kara
2016-11-01 21:08 ` [PATCH 4/8] writeback: track if we're sleeping on progress in balance_dirty_pages() Jens Axboe
2016-11-02 14:57   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-11-02 14:59     ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-08 13:02   ` Jan Kara
2016-11-01 21:08 ` [PATCH 5/8] block: add code to track actual device queue depth Jens Axboe
2016-11-02 14:59   ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-11-02 15:02     ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-02 16:40       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2016-11-05 22:37   ` Jan Kara
2016-11-01 21:08 ` [PATCH 6/8] block: add scalable completion tracking of requests Jens Axboe
2016-11-08 13:30   ` Jan Kara
2016-11-08 15:25     ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-09  9:01       ` Jan Kara
2016-11-09 16:09         ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-09 19:52           ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-10 19:38             ` Jan Kara
2016-11-12  5:19               ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-01 21:08 ` [PATCH 7/8] blk-wbt: add general throttling mechanism Jens Axboe
2016-11-08 13:39   ` Jan Kara
2016-11-08 15:41     ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-09  8:40       ` Jan Kara
2016-11-09 16:07         ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-09 19:52           ` Jens Axboe
2016-11-10 19:36             ` Jan Kara [this message]
2016-11-10  0:00           ` Dave Chinner
2016-11-01 21:08 ` [PATCH 8/8] block: hook up writeback throttling Jens Axboe
2016-11-08 13:42   ` Jan Kara
2016-11-08 15:16     ` Jens Axboe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-10-26 20:52 [PATCHSET] block: buffered " Jens Axboe
2016-10-26 20:52 ` [PATCH 7/8] blk-wbt: add general throttling mechanism Jens Axboe

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