From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
tytso@mit.edu, jack@suse.cz
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2017 04:53:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170404115358.GH30811@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h924kh6t.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name>
On Tue, Apr 04, 2017 at 01:03:22PM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 03 2017, Jeff Layton wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2017-04-03 at 12:16 -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> >> So, OK, that makes sense, we should keep allowing filesystems to report
> >> ENOSPC as a writeback error. But I think much of the argument below
> >> still holds, and we should continue to have a prior EIO to be reported
> >> over a new ENOSPC (even if the program has already consumed the EIO).
> >
> > I'm fine with that (though I'd like Neil's thoughts before we decide
> > anything) there.
>
> I'd like there be a well defined time when old errors were forgotten.
> It does make sense for EIO to persist even if ENOSPC or EDQUOT is
> received, but not forever.
> Clearing the remembered errors when put_write_access() causes
> i_writecount to reach zero is one option (as suggested), but I'm not
> sure I'm happy with it.
>
> Local filesystems, or network filesystems which receive strong write
> delegations, should only ever return EIO to fsync. We should
> concentrate on them first, I think. As there is only one possible
> error, the seq counter is sufficient to "clear" it once it has been
> reported to fsync() (or write()?).
>
> Other network filesystems could return a whole host of errors: ENOSPC
> EDQUOT ESTALE EPERM EFBIG ...
> Do we want to limit exactly which errors are allowed in generic code, or
> do we just support EIO generically and expect the filesystem to sort out
> the details for anything else?
I'd like us to focus on our POSIX compliance here and not return
arbitrary errors. The relevant pages are here:
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/fsync.html
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/write.html
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/close.html
For close(), we have to map every error to EIO.
For fsync(), we can return any error that write() could have. That limits
us to:
EFBIG ENOSPC EIO ENOBUFS ENXIO
I think EFBIG really isn't a writeback error; are there any network
filesystems that don't know the file size limit at the time they accept
the original write? ENOBUFS seems like a transient error (*this* call to
fsync() failed, but the next one may succeed ... it's the equivalent of
ENOMEM). ENXIO seems to me like it's a submission error, not a writeback
error. So that leaves us with ENOSPC and EIO, as we have support today.
> One possible approach a filesystem could take is just to allow a single
> async writeback error. After that error, all subsequent write()
> system calls become synchronous. As write() or fsync() is called on each
> file descriptor (which could possibly have sent the write which caused
> the error), an error is returned and that fact is counted. Once we have
> returned as many errors as there are open file descriptors
> (i_writecount?), and have seen a successful write, the filesystem
> forgets all recorded errors and switches back to async writes (for that
> inode). NFS does this switch-to-sync-on-error. See nfs_need_check_write().
>
> The "which could possibly have sent the write which caused the error" is
> an explicit reference to NFS. NFS doesn't use the AS_EIO/AS_ENOSPC
> flags to return async errors. It allocates an nfs_open_context for each
> user who opens a given inode, and stores an error in there. Each dirty
> pages is associated with one of these, so errors a sure to go to the
> correct user, though not necessarily the correct fd at present.
... and you need the nfs_open_context in order to use the correct
credentials when writing a page to the server, correct?
> When we specify the new behaviour we should be careful to be as vague as
> possible while still saying what we need. This allows filesystems some
> flexibility.
>
> If an error happens during writeback, the next write() or fsync() (or
> ....) on the file descriptor to which data was written will return -1
> with errno set to EIO or some other relevant error. Other file
> descriptors open on the same file may receive EIO or some other error
> on a subsequent appropriate system call.
> It should not be assumed that close() will return an error. fsync()
> must be called before close() if writeback errors are important to the
> application.
Thanks for explaining what NFS does today.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-04-04 11:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-03-31 19:25 [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it Jeff Layton
2017-03-31 19:26 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] fs: new infrastructure for writeback error handling and reporting Jeff Layton
2017-04-03 7:12 ` Nikolay Borisov
2017-04-03 10:28 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-03 14:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-04-03 15:19 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-03 16:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-04-03 16:30 ` Jeff Layton
2017-03-31 19:26 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] dax: set errors in mapping when writeback fails Jeff Layton
2017-03-31 19:26 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] buffer: set wb errors using both new and old infrastructure for now Jeff Layton
2017-03-31 19:26 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] ext4: wire it up to the new writeback error reporting infrastructure Jeff Layton
2017-04-03 4:25 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] fs: introduce new writeback error tracking infrastructure and convert ext4 to use it NeilBrown
2017-04-03 10:28 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-03 14:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-04-03 17:47 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-03 18:09 ` Jeremy Allison
2017-04-03 18:18 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-03 18:36 ` Jeremy Allison
2017-04-03 18:40 ` Jeremy Allison
2017-04-03 18:49 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-03 19:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-04-03 20:16 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-04 2:45 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-04-04 3:03 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-04 11:41 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-04 22:41 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-04 11:53 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2017-04-04 12:17 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-04 16:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-04-04 16:25 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-04 17:09 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-04-04 18:08 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-04 22:50 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-05 19:49 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-05 21:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-04-06 0:19 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-06 0:02 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-06 2:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-04-06 5:12 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-06 13:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-04-06 21:53 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-06 14:02 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-06 19:14 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-06 20:05 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-04-07 13:12 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-09 23:15 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-10 13:19 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-06 22:15 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-04 23:13 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-05 11:14 ` Jeff Layton
2017-04-06 0:24 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-04 13:38 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-04-04 22:28 ` NeilBrown
2017-04-03 14:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
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