From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
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Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jeff Layton <jlayton@poochiereds.net>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 0/6] MAP_DIRECT for DAX userspace flush
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:26:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171016072644.GB28270@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171013173145.GA18702@obsidianresearch.com>
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:31:45AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> I don't think that really represents how lots of apps actually use
> RDMA.
>
> RDMA is often buried down in the software stack (eg in a MPI), and by
> the time a mapping gets used for RDMA transfer the link between the
> FD, mmap and the MR is totally opaque.
>
> Having a MR specific notification means the low level RDMA libraries
> have a chance to deal with everything for the app.
>
> Eg consider a HPC app using MPI that uses some DAX aware library to
> get DAX backed mmap's. It then passes memory in those mmaps to the
> MPI library to do transfers. The MPI creates the MR on demand.
>
I suspect one of the more interesting use cases might be a file server,
for which that's not the case. But otherwise I agree with the above,
and also thing that notifying the MR handle is the only way to go for
another very important reason: fencing. What if the application/library
does not react on the notification? With a per-MR notification we
can unregister the MR in kernel space and have a rock solid fencing
mechanism. And that is the most important bit here.
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-10-12 0:47 [PATCH v9 0/6] MAP_DIRECT for DAX userspace flush Dan Williams
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 1/6] mm: introduce MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE, a mechanism to safely define new mmap flags Dan Williams
2017-10-12 13:51 ` Jan Kara
2017-10-12 16:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-16 7:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-16 7:56 ` Jan Kara
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 2/6] fs, mm: pass fd to ->mmap_validate() Dan Williams
2017-10-12 1:21 ` Al Viro
2017-10-12 1:28 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-12 2:17 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-12 3:44 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 3/6] fs: MAP_DIRECT core Dan Williams
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 4/6] xfs: prepare xfs_break_layouts() for reuse with MAP_DIRECT Dan Williams
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 5/6] fs, xfs, iomap: introduce break_layout_nowait() Dan Williams
2017-10-12 0:47 ` [PATCH v9 6/6] xfs: wire up MAP_DIRECT Dan Williams
2017-10-12 14:23 ` [PATCH v9 0/6] MAP_DIRECT for DAX userspace flush Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-12 17:41 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-13 6:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-13 15:14 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-13 16:38 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-13 17:01 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-13 17:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-13 18:22 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-14 1:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-16 12:02 ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-10-19 6:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-10-16 7:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-16 7:26 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2017-10-16 12:07 ` Sagi Grimberg
2017-10-16 17:43 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-16 19:44 ` Dan Williams
2017-10-17 6:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-16 7:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
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