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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/13] dax: require 'struct page' for filesystem dax
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 20:20:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171021032008.GA27694@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4jP0ws7dcBrXafS7ON+0_J1BTp_LCB6XB3od4d6db071A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 03:29:57PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> Ok, I'd also like to kill DAX support in the brd driver. It's a source
> of complexity and maintenance burden for zero benefit. It's the only
> ->direct_access() implementation that sleeps and it's the only
> implementation where there is a non-linear relationship between
> sectors and pfns. Having a 1:1 sector to pfn relationship will help
> with the dma-extent-busy management since we don't need to keep
> calling into the driver to map pfns back to sectors once we know the
> pfn[0] sector[0] relationship.

But these are important things that other block devices may / will want.

For example, I think it's entirely sensible to support ->direct_access
for RAID-0.  Dell are looking at various different options for having
one pmemX device per DIMM and using RAID to lash them together.
->direct_access makes no sense for RAID-5 or RAID-1, but RAID-0 makes
sense to me.

Last time we tried to take sleeping out, there were grumblings from people
with network block devices who thought they'd want to bring pages in
across the network.  I'm a bit less sympathetic to this because I don't
know anyone actively working on it, but the RAID-0 case is something I
think we should care about.

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-21  3:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-20  2:38 [PATCH v3 00/13] dax: fix dma vs truncate and remove 'page-less' support Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 01/13] dax: quiet bdev_dax_supported() Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 02/13] dax: require 'struct page' for filesystem dax Dan Williams
2017-10-20  7:57   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20 15:23     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 16:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20 22:29         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-21  3:20           ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2017-10-21  4:16             ` Dan Williams
2017-10-21  8:15               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-23  5:18         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-10-23  8:55           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-23 10:44             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-10-23 11:20               ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 03/13] dax: stop using VM_MIXEDMAP for dax Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 04/13] dax: stop using VM_HUGEPAGE " Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 05/13] dax: stop requiring a live device for dax_flush() Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 06/13] dax: store pfns in the radix Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 07/13] dax: warn if dma collides with truncate Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 08/13] tools/testing/nvdimm: add 'bio_delay' mechanism Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 09/13] IB/core: disable memory registration of fileystem-dax vmas Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 10/13] mm: disable get_user_pages_fast() for dax Dan Williams
2017-10-20  2:39 ` [PATCH v3 11/13] fs: use smp_load_acquire in break_{layout,lease} Dan Williams
2017-10-20 12:39   ` Jeffrey Layton
2017-10-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v3 12/13] dax: handle truncate of dma-busy pages Dan Williams
2017-10-20 13:05   ` Jeff Layton
2017-10-20 15:42     ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 16:32       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20 17:27         ` Dan Williams
2017-10-20 20:36           ` Brian Foster
2017-10-21  8:11           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20  2:40 ` [PATCH v3 13/13] xfs: wire up FL_ALLOCATED support Dan Williams
2017-10-20  7:47 ` [PATCH v3 00/13] dax: fix dma vs truncate and remove 'page-less' support Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-20  9:31   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-26 10:58     ` Jan Kara
2017-10-26 23:51       ` Williams, Dan J
2017-10-27  6:48         ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-27 11:42           ` Dan Williams
2017-10-29 21:52             ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-27  6:45       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-10-29 23:46       ` Dan Williams
2017-10-30  2:00         ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-30  8:38           ` Jan Kara
2017-10-30 11:20             ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-30 17:51               ` Dan Williams

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