From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk ([195.92.253.2]:42832 "EHLO ZenIV.linux.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726349AbeGLSCp (ORCPT ); Thu, 12 Jul 2018 14:02:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:52:04 +0100 From: Al Viro To: Linus Torvalds Cc: David Howells , Andrew Lutomirski , Linux API , linux-fsdevel , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Jann Horn Subject: Re: [PATCH 24/32] vfs: syscall: Add fsopen() to prepare for superblock creation [ver #9] Message-ID: <20180712175204.GB30522@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> References: <153126264966.14533.3388004240803696769.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <686E805C-81F3-43D0-A096-50C644C57EE3@amacapital.net> <22370.1531293761@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <7002.1531407244@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <20180712160030.GV30522@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20180712163107.GW30522@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 09:39:31AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > [1] one man's data is another man's commands, for starters. All networking > > protocols would fit your description. So would ANSI escape sequences ("move > > cursor to line 12 column 45" does sound like a command), so would writing > > postscript to printer, etc. > > .. and all of that is just data to the kernel. > > Yes, vt100 escape sequences etc _are_ commands, and boy have we had > bugs in that area. But there the excuse is "that's how the world is". ... along with "something similar to ncurses-based programs usable over ssh is a good thing to have, without having said ssh somehow intercept and marshal ioctls" ;-) I can just imagine something e.g. RDMA people would've designed instead... OTOH, I'm eating right now, so better not go there...