From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 36/38] vfs: Add a sample program for the new mount API [ver #10]
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 20:16:06 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180730181606.GB2416@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFyzya1jiqXoWYtxzD+pRtg-oXXSs8z4ZS5gCKWAmmLrMA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon 2018-07-30 10:54:19, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:30 AM Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> >
> > Still userland needs a way to understand the errors.
>
> Not really.
>
> We don't internationalize kernel strings. We never have. Yes, some
> people tried to do some database of kernel messages for translation
> purposes, but I absolutely refused to make that part of the
> development process. It's a pain.
>
> For some GUI project, internationalization might be a big deal, and it
> might be "TheRule(tm)". For the kernel, not so much. We care about the
> technology, not the language.
>
> So we'll continue to give error numbers for "an error happened". And
> if/when people need more information about just what _triggered_ that
> error, they are as English-language strings. You can quote them and
> google them without having to understand them. That's just how things
> work.
>
> Let's face it, the mount options themselves are already (shortened)
> English language words. We talk about "mtime" and "create".
>
> There are places where localization is a good idea. The kernel is
> *not* one of those places.
Well, yes, we use english language words, and then we have
documentation explaining what those words mean. So it does not matter
if it is "mtime" or "auiasd", it is documented.
If we continue giving reasonable errnos, I guess that's fine. But I
believe man page should give list of errors that can happen, with
explanations, and it would be good to pass them in a way confusion
does not happen.
Yes, dmesg is confusing, and there's no way to translate that. But
dmesg is kernel debugging, not normal administration. Userspace does
good job translating errors, and it would be good to keep that
capability.
Pavel
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Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-27 17:31 [PATCH 00/38] VFS: Introduce filesystem context [ver #10] David Howells
2018-07-27 17:31 ` [PATCH 01/38] vfs: syscall: Add open_tree(2) to reference or clone a mount " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:31 ` [PATCH 02/38] vfs: syscall: Add move_mount(2) to move mounts around " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:31 ` [PATCH 03/38] teach move_mount(2) to work with OPEN_TREE_CLONE " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:31 ` [PATCH 04/38] vfs: Suppress MS_* flag defs within the kernel unless explicitly enabled " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:31 ` [PATCH 05/38] vfs: Introduce the basic header for the new mount API's filesystem context " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 06/38] vfs: Introduce logging functions " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 07/38] vfs: Add configuration parser helpers " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 08/38] vfs: Add LSM hooks for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 09/38] selinux: Implement the new mount API LSM hooks " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 10/38] smack: Implement filesystem context security " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 11/38] apparmor: Implement security hooks for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 12/38] vfs: Pass key and value into LSM and FS and provide a helper parser " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 13/38] tomoyo: Implement security hooks for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-07-28 2:29 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-07-30 10:49 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 14/38] vfs: Separate changing mount flags full remount " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 15/38] vfs: Implement a filesystem superblock creation/configuration context " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 16/38] vfs: Remove unused code after filesystem context changes " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 17/38] procfs: Move proc_fill_super() to fs/proc/root.c " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 18/38] proc: Add fs_context support to procfs " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 19/38] ipc: Convert mqueue fs to fs_context " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 20/38] cpuset: Use " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 21/38] kernfs, sysfs, cgroup, intel_rdt: Support " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 22/38] hugetlbfs: Convert to " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 23/38] vfs: Remove kern_mount_data() " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 24/38] vfs: Provide documentation for new mount API " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 25/38] Make anon_inodes unconditional " David Howells
2018-07-27 20:04 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-07-30 10:52 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 26/38] vfs: syscall: Add fsopen() to prepare for superblock creation " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 27/38] vfs: Implement logging through fs_context " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 28/38] vfs: Add some logging to the core users of the fs_context log " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 29/38] vfs: syscall: Add fsconfig() for configuring and managing a context " David Howells
2018-07-27 19:42 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-27 21:51 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 21:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-27 22:27 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 22:32 ` Jann Horn
2018-07-29 8:50 ` David Howells
2018-07-29 11:14 ` Jann Horn
2018-07-30 12:32 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 30/38] vfs: syscall: Add fsmount() to create a mount for a superblock " David Howells
2018-07-27 19:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-27 19:43 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-27 22:09 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 22:06 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 31/38] vfs: syscall: Add fspick() to select a superblock for reconfiguration " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 32/38] afs: Add fs_context support " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 33/38] afs: Use fs_context to pass parameters over automount " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 34/38] vfs: syscall: Add fsinfo() to query filesystem information " David Howells
2018-07-27 19:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-27 22:12 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 23:14 ` Jann Horn
2018-07-27 23:49 ` David Howells
2018-07-28 0:14 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2018-07-27 23:51 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 23:58 ` Jann Horn
2018-07-28 0:08 ` David Howells
2018-07-30 14:48 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 4:16 ` Al Viro
2018-07-31 12:39 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 13:20 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 23:49 ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-08-01 1:07 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 35/38] afs: Add fsinfo support " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 36/38] vfs: Add a sample program for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-07-29 11:37 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 12:23 ` David Howells
2018-07-30 14:31 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 18:08 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-30 18:16 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-30 18:38 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-30 18:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-30 19:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-30 21:02 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-07-30 21:23 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 23:58 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-31 0:58 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-07-31 9:40 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-31 10:11 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 11:34 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-31 12:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-31 12:28 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-31 13:33 ` Al Viro
2018-07-31 13:00 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 19:39 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-31 21:00 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 21:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-31 21:38 ` David Howells
2018-07-30 20:47 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 15:33 ` David Howells
2018-07-30 17:30 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 17:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-30 18:16 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 37/38] vfs: Allow fsinfo() to query what's in an fs_context " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 38/38] vfs: Allow fsinfo() to be used to query an fs parameter description " David Howells
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