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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fs: use KERNEL_DS instead of get_ds()
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 08:20:17 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190308162017.GA26207@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190308142331.GE2217@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Fri, Mar 08, 2019 at 02:23:31PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
> You do realize that nested pairs of that sort are not all there is?
> Even leaving m68k aside (there the same registers that select
> userland or kernel for that kind of access can be used e.g. for
> writeback control, or to switch to accessing sun3 MMU tables, etc.)

Yes.  And the whole point is to keep these uses clear and separate.

> there are
> 	* temporary switches to USER_DS in things like unaligned
> access handlers, etc., where the kernel is doing emulation of possibly
> userland insns; similar for oops code dumping, etc.
> 	* use_mm()/unuse_mm() should probably switch to USER_DS and
> back, rather than doing that in callers.
> 	* switch to USER_DS (and no, it's *not* "USER_DS unless we started
> with KERNEL_DS" - nested counter is no-go here) for perf callbacks.
> 	* regular non-paired switches to USER_DS: do_exit() and
> flush_old_exec().

And that is probably the close to full list of callers that want
to explicitly enable access to the user address space, and thus
mark the thread as a user thread (and occasionally clear that in e.g.
unuse_mm).

Unless I'm completely missing something our general rule of thumb
should be:

 - threads are started with uaccess kernel turned on (count = 1)
 - if we execute in userspace we switch to user uaccess (count = 0)
   - same for use_mm style threads that want user access
 - every current random kernel code override increments the refcount
   and drops the reference when done
 - force uaccess cases like do_exit or the validation check on
   return to userspace force it back to 0.

Initially each 1 > 0 transition (decrement or force) will do
set_fs(USER_DS), each 0 > 1 transition will do set_fs(KERNEL_DS).

Then later architectures can kill the set_fs API, and potentially
optimize things by getting rid of the addr_limit field in its current
form.

      reply	other threads:[~2019-03-08 16:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-01 20:08 [PATCH] fs: use KERNEL_DS instead of get_ds() Jann Horn
2019-03-02  3:40 ` Al Viro
2019-03-05  0:23   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-03-08 14:01     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-03-08 14:23       ` Al Viro
2019-03-08 16:20         ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]

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