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From: Brendan Higgins <brendanhiggins@google.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework
Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 23:04:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190514060433.GA181462@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190513144451.GQ17751@phenom.ffwll.local>

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 04:44:51PM +0200, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 01:33:44PM -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 02:12:40PM -0700, Frank Rowand wrote:
> > > However, the reply is incorrect.  Kselftest in-kernel tests (which
> > > is the context here) can be configured as built in instead of as
> > > a module, and built in a UML kernel.  The UML kernel can boot,
> > > running the in-kernel tests before UML attempts to invoke the
> > > init process.
> > 
> > Um, Citation needed?
> > 
> > I don't see any evidence for this in the kselftest documentation, nor
> > do I see any evidence of this in the kselftest Makefiles.
> > 
> > There exists test modules in the kernel that run before the init
> > scripts run --- but that's not strictly speaking part of kselftests,
> > and do not have any kind of infrastructure.  As noted, the
> > kselftests_harness header file fundamentally assumes that you are
> > running test code in userspace.
> 
> Yeah I really like the "no userspace required at all" design of kunit,
> while still collecting results in a well-defined way (unless the current
> self-test that just run when you load the module, with maybe some
> kselftest ad-hoc wrapper around to collect the results).
> 
> What I want to do long-term is to run these kernel unit tests as part of
> the build-testing, most likely in gitlab (sooner or later, for drm.git

Totally! This is part of the reason I have been insisting on a minimum
of UML compatibility for all unit tests. If you can suffiently constrain
the environment that is required for tests to run in, it makes it much
easier not only for a human to run your tests, but it also makes it a
lot easier for an automated service to be able to run your tests.

I actually have a prototype presubmit already working on my
"stable/non-upstream" branch. You can checkout what presubmit results
look like here[1][2].

> only ofc). So that people get their pull requests (and patch series, we
> have some ideas to tie this into patchwork) automatically tested for this

Might that be Snowpatch[3]? I talked to Russell, the creator of Snowpatch,
and he seemed pretty open to collaboration.

Before I heard about Snowpatch, I had an intern write a translation
layer that made Prow (the presubmit service that I used in the prototype
above) work with LKML[4].

I am not married to either approach, but I think between the two of
them, most of the initial legwork has been done to make presubmit on
LKML a reality.

> super basic stuff.

I am really excited to hear back on what you think!

Cheers!

[1] https://kunit-review.googlesource.com/c/linux/+/1509/10#message-7bfa40efb132e15c8388755c273837559911425c
[2] https://kunit-review.googlesource.com/c/linux/+/1509/10#message-a6784496eafff442ac98fb068bf1a0f36ee73509
[3] https://developer.ibm.com/open/projects/snowpatch/
[4] https://kunit.googlesource.com/prow-lkml/

  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-14  6:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-01 23:01 [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] kunit: test: add KUnit test runner core Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] kunit: test: add test resource management API Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] kunit: test: add string_stream a std::stream like string builder Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  1:26   ` shuah
2019-05-03  4:37     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] kunit: test: add kunit_stream a std::stream like logger Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:00   ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 20:25     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 21:18       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-03  1:50   ` shuah
2019-05-03  5:48     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] kunit: test: add the concept of expectations Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] kbuild: enable building KUnit Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10  3:03   ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-05-10 10:27     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 10:30       ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-05-10 10:33         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] kunit: test: add initial tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 10:58   ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 20:30     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  1:27   ` shuah
2019-05-03  5:18     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] kunit: test: add support for test abort Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  3:14   ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-03  6:48     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 12:33       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-06  8:48         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] kunit: test: add tests for kunit " Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] kunit: test: add the concept of assertions Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] kunit: test: add test managed resource tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 14:34   ` shuah
2019-05-06  9:03     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] kunit: tool: add Python wrappers for running KUnit tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:02   ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 18:07     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 21:16       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-02 23:45         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  1:45           ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-03  5:36             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 18:59               ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-03 23:14                 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-04 10:42                   ` Greg KH
2019-05-06  0:19                   ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-06 17:43                     ` Kees Cook
2019-05-06 21:42                       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-06 21:39                     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-07 19:13                       ` Tim.Bird
2019-05-03  6:41           ` Greg KH
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] kunit: defconfig: add defconfigs for building " Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] Documentation: kunit: add documentation for KUnit Brendan Higgins
2019-05-09  5:08   ` Randy Dunlap
2019-05-09 17:38     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] MAINTAINERS: add entry for KUnit the unit testing framework Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 14:38   ` shuah
2019-05-06  9:18     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] kernel/sysctl-test: Add null pointer test for sysctl.c:proc_dointvec() Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:03   ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 18:14     ` Tim.Bird
2019-05-02 18:45       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  6:42         ` Greg KH
2019-05-03 23:41           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-04 10:40             ` Greg KH
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] MAINTAINERS: add proc sysctl KUnit test to PROC SYSCTL section Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 10:50 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework Greg KH
2019-05-02 11:05   ` Greg KH
2019-05-03  0:41     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 14:04   ` shuah
2019-05-03  0:44     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  3:18 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-07  3:14 ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-07  8:01   ` Greg KH
2019-05-07 15:23     ` shuah
2019-05-09  1:01       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-07 17:22     ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-08 19:17       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-09  0:58       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09  1:44         ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09  2:18           ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-14  8:22         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-09  0:43     ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09  1:58       ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09  2:13         ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09  3:20           ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09 11:52             ` Knut Omang
2019-05-09 13:35               ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09 14:48                 ` Knut Omang
2019-05-09 17:00                 ` Tim.Bird
2019-05-09 17:42                   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-09 18:12                   ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09 21:42                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09 22:20                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-09 23:30                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09 23:40                           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-10  4:47                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-10  5:18                             ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-10  5:48                               ` Knut Omang
2019-05-10  8:12                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-10 10:23                                   ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 12:12                                     ` Knut Omang
2019-05-10 20:54                                       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 22:18                                         ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-11  6:17                                           ` Knut Omang
2019-05-14  6:39                                             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 21:59                                     ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-11  6:43                                       ` Knut Omang
2019-05-14  8:00                                         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 11:36                                   ` Knut Omang
2019-05-10 16:17                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-10 22:13                                 ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-14  8:38                                   ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-15  0:14                                     ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-15  0:26                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-10 21:52                         ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-14 20:54                           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 21:12                       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-11 17:33                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-13 14:44                           ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-14  6:04                             ` Brendan Higgins [this message]
2019-05-14 12:05                               ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-14 18:36                                 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-15  7:41                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-22 21:38                                     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-23  8:40                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-15  0:26                           ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-15  4:28                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-10  5:11           ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-10 10:43             ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-10 21:05               ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09 15:19 ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-05-10 10:25   ` Brendan Higgins

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