From: Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/5] [RFC] arm64: Add support for idle bit in swap PTE
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 07:26:06 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190806112606.GC117316@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190806111452.GW11812@dhcp22.suse.cz>
On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 01:14:52PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 06-08-19 20:07:37, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 12:47:55PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Tue 06-08-19 06:36:27, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 06, 2019 at 10:42:03AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > > On Mon 05-08-19 13:04:49, Joel Fernandes (Google) wrote:
> > > > > > This bit will be used by idle page tracking code to correctly identify
> > > > > > if a page that was swapped out was idle before it got swapped out.
> > > > > > Without this PTE bit, we lose information about if a page is idle or not
> > > > > > since the page frame gets unmapped.
> > > > >
> > > > > And why do we need that? Why cannot we simply assume all swapped out
> > > > > pages to be idle? They were certainly idle enough to be reclaimed,
> > > > > right? Or what does idle actualy mean here?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, but other than swapping, in Android a page can be forced to be swapped
> > > > out as well using the new hints that Minchan is adding?
> > >
> > > Yes and that is effectivelly making them idle, no?
> >
> > 1. mark page-A idle which was present at that time.
> > 2. run workload
> > 3. page-A is touched several times
> > 4. *sudden* memory pressure happen so finally page A is finally swapped out
> > 5. now see the page A idle - but it's incorrect.
>
> Could you expand on what you mean by idle exactly? Why pageout doesn't
> really qualify as "mark-idle and reclaim"? Also could you describe a
> usecase where the swapout distinction really matters and it would lead
> to incorrect behavior?
Michal,
Did you read this post ? :
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20190806104715.GC218260@google.com/T/#m4ece68ceaf6e54d4d29e974f5f4c1080e733f6c1
Just wanted to be sure you did not miss it.
thanks,
- Joel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-08-06 11:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-08-05 17:04 [PATCH v4 1/5] mm/page_idle: Add per-pid idle page tracking using virtual indexing Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-08-05 17:04 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] [RFC] x86: Add support for idle bit in swap PTE Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-08-05 17:04 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] [RFC] arm64: " Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-08-06 8:42 ` Michal Hocko
2019-08-06 10:36 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-06 10:47 ` Michal Hocko
2019-08-06 11:07 ` Minchan Kim
2019-08-06 11:14 ` Michal Hocko
2019-08-06 11:26 ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2019-08-06 11:14 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-06 11:57 ` Michal Hocko
2019-08-06 13:43 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-06 14:09 ` Michal Hocko
2019-08-06 14:47 ` Minchan Kim
2019-08-06 15:20 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-05 17:04 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] page_idle: Drain all LRU pagevec before idle tracking Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-08-06 8:43 ` Michal Hocko
2019-08-06 10:45 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-06 10:51 ` Michal Hocko
2019-08-06 11:19 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-06 11:44 ` Michal Hocko
2019-08-06 13:48 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-05 17:04 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] doc: Update documentation for page_idle virtual address indexing Joel Fernandes (Google)
2019-08-06 8:56 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] mm/page_idle: Add per-pid idle page tracking using virtual indexing Michal Hocko
2019-08-06 10:47 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-06 22:19 ` Andrew Morton
2019-08-07 10:00 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-07 20:01 ` Andrew Morton
2019-08-07 20:44 ` Joel Fernandes
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