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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	Johannes Thumshirn <johannes.thumshirn@wdc.com>,
	David Sterba <dsterba@suse.com>,
	"linux-btrfs @ vger . kernel . org" <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	Filipe Manana <fdmanana@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] btrfs: don't call btrfs_sync_file from iomap context
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 12:44:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200902114414.GX14765@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200901235830.GI12096@dread.disaster.area>

On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 09:58:30AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> Put simply: converting a filesystem to use iomap is not a "change
> the filesystem interfacing code and it will work" modification.  We
> ask that filesystems are modified to conform to the iomap IO
> exclusion model; adding special cases for every potential
> locking and mapping quirk every different filesystem has is part of
> what turned the old direct IO code into an unmaintainable nightmare.
> 
> > That's fine, but this is kind of a bad way to find
> > out.  We really shouldn't have generic helper's that have different generic
> > locking rules based on which file system uses them.
> 
> We certainly can change the rules for new infrastructure. Indeed, we
> had to change the rules to support DAX.  The whole point of the
> iomap infrastructure was that it enabled us to use code that already
> worked for DAX (the XFS code) in multiple filesystems. And as people
> have realised that the DIO via iomap is much faster than the old DIO
> code and is a much more efficient way of doing large buffered IO,
> other filesystems have started to use it.
> 
> However....
> 
> > Because then we end up
> > with situations like this, where suddenly we're having to come up with some
> > weird solution because the generic thing only works for a subset of file
> > systems.  Thanks,
> 
> .... we've always said "you need to change the filesystem code to
> use iomap". This is simply a reflection on the fact that iomap has
> different rules and constraints to the old code and so it's not a
> direct plug in replacement. There are no short cuts here...

Can you point me (and I suspect Josef!) towards the documentation of the
locking model?  I was hoping to find Documentation/filesystems/iomap.rst
but all the 'iomap' strings in Documentation/ refer to pci_iomap and
similar, except for this in the DAX documentation:

: - implementing ->read_iter and ->write_iter operations which use dax_iomap_rw()
:   when inode has S_DAX flag set
: - implementing an mmap file operation for DAX files which sets the
:   VM_MIXEDMAP and VM_HUGEPAGE flags on the VMA, and setting the vm_ops to
:   include handlers for fault, pmd_fault, page_mkwrite, pfn_mkwrite. These
:   handlers should probably call dax_iomap_fault() passing the appropriate
:   fault size and iomap operations.
: - calling iomap_zero_range() passing appropriate iomap operations instead of
:   block_truncate_page() for DAX files
: - ensuring that there is sufficient locking between reads, writes,
:   truncates and page faults
: 
: The iomap handlers for allocating blocks must make sure that allocated blocks
: are zeroed out and converted to written extents before being returned to avoid
: exposure of uninitialized data through mmap.

which doesn't bear on this situation.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-09-02 11:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20200901130644.12655-1-johannes.thumshirn@wdc.com>
2020-09-01 15:11 ` [RFC PATCH] btrfs: don't call btrfs_sync_file from iomap context Josef Bacik
2020-09-01 17:45   ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-09-01 17:55     ` Josef Bacik
2020-09-01 21:46   ` Dave Chinner
2020-09-01 22:19     ` Josef Bacik
2020-09-01 23:58       ` Dave Chinner
2020-09-02  0:22         ` Josef Bacik
2020-09-02  7:12           ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-09-02 11:10             ` Josef Bacik
2020-09-02 16:29               ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-09-02 16:47                 ` Josef Bacik
2020-09-02 11:44         ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2020-09-02 12:20           ` Dave Chinner
2020-09-02 12:42             ` Josef Bacik
2020-09-03  2:28               ` Dave Chinner
2020-09-03  9:49                 ` Filipe Manana
2020-09-03 16:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-03 16:46     ` Josef Bacik
2020-09-07  0:04     ` Dave Chinner
2020-09-15 21:48       ` Goldwyn Rodrigues
2020-09-17  3:09         ` Dave Chinner
2020-09-17  5:52           ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17  6:29             ` Dave Chinner
2020-09-17  6:42               ` Christoph Hellwig

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