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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/25] Page folios
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 19:40:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210315194014.GZ2577561@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210315190904.GB150808@infradead.org>

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 07:09:04PM +0000, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 01:38:04PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > I tend to agree here as well. The level compoud_head has spread out
> > silently is just too large. There are people coming up with all sorts of
> > optimizations to workaround that, and they are quite right that this is
> > somehing worth doing, but last attempts I have seen were very focused on
> > specific page flags handling which is imho worse wrt maintainability
> > than a higher level and type safe abstraction. I find it quite nice that
> > this doesn't really have to be a flag day conversion but it can be done
> > incrementally.
> > 
> > I didn't get review the series yet and I cannot really promise anything
> > but from what I understand the conversion should be pretty
> > straightforward, albeit noisy.
> > 
> > One thing that was really strange to me when seeing the concept for the
> > first time was the choice of naming (no I do not want to start any
> > bikeshedding) because it hasn't really resonated with the udnerlying
> > concept. Maybe just me as a non native speaker... page_head would have
> > been so much more straightforward but not something I really care about.
> 
> That pretty much summarizes my opinion as well.  I'll need to find some
> time to review the series as well.

If it's easier for you, I'm trying to keep
https://git.infradead.org/users/willy/pagecache.git/shortlog/refs/heads/folio
up to date.  Not all of those 111 patches are suitable for upstreaming,
but it might give you a better idea of where I'm going than if I only
posted the first 70-80 of them.  Stopping at
"mm/memory: Use a folio in copy_pte_range()" nets us almost 10kb of
text reduction for the UEK-derived config, about 3.3kb on an allnoconfig
(which is a little over 0.1% on a 2.4MB kernel).

The reason I didn't go with 'head' is that traditionally 'head' implies
that there are tail pages.  It would be weird to ask 'if (HeadHead(head))'
That's currently spelled 'if (FolioMulti(folio))'.  But it can be changed
if there's a really better alternative.  It'll make me more grumpy if
somebody comes up with a really good alternative in six months.

I would agree that the conversion is both straightforward and noisy.
There are some minor things that crop up, like noticing that we get
the accounting wrong for writeback of compound pages.  That's not
entirely unexpected since no filesystem supports both compound pages
and writeback today.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-15 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-05  4:18 [PATCH v4 00/25] Page folios Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 01/25] mm: Introduce struct folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-13 20:37   ` Andrew Morton
2021-03-14  4:07     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-03-17 17:14   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-18 23:56   ` Balbir Singh
2021-03-19  1:25     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-03-20  2:09       ` Balbir Singh
2021-03-22  2:52       ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-03-22  3:54         ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 02/25] mm: Add folio_pgdat and folio_zone Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 03/25] mm/vmstat: Add functions to account folio statistics Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-13 20:37   ` Andrew Morton
2021-03-14  4:11     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-03-14  4:51       ` Andrew Morton
2021-03-17 17:16   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 04/25] mm/debug: Add VM_BUG_ON_FOLIO and VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 05/25] mm: Add put_folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 06/25] mm: Add get_folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 07/25] mm: Create FolioFlags Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-15  2:24   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 08/25] mm: Handle per-folio private data Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-17 17:20   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-18 17:57     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 09/25] mm: Add folio_index, folio_page and folio_contains Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-13 20:37   ` Andrew Morton
2021-03-14  3:45     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-03-17 17:22     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 10/25] mm/util: Add folio_mapping and folio_file_mapping Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-17 17:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 11/25] mm/memcg: Add folio wrappers for various memcontrol functions Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 12/25] mm/filemap: Add unlock_folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 13/25] mm/filemap: Add lock_folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 14/25] mm/filemap: Add lock_folio_killable Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 15/25] mm/filemap: Convert lock_page_async to lock_folio_async Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-17 17:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 16/25] mm/filemap: Convert end_page_writeback to end_folio_writeback Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 17/25] mm/filemap: Add wait_on_folio_locked & wait_on_folio_locked_killable Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 18/25] mm/page-writeback: Add wait_on_folio_writeback Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 19/25] mm/page-writeback: Add wait_for_stable_folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 20/25] mm/filemap: Convert wait_on_page_bit to wait_on_folio_bit Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-17 17:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 21/25] mm/filemap: Add __lock_folio_or_retry Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 22/25] mm/filemap: Convert wake_up_page_bit to wake_up_folio_bit Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:18 ` [PATCH v4 23/25] mm/page-writeback: Convert test_clear_page_writeback to take a folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:19 ` [PATCH v4 24/25] mm/filemap: Convert page wait queues to be folios Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-05  4:19 ` [PATCH v4 25/25] cachefiles: Switch to wait_page_key Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2021-03-17 17:45   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-13 20:36 ` [PATCH v4 00/25] Page folios Andrew Morton
2021-03-14  2:30   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-03-14  3:09   ` Hugh Dickins
2021-03-15 11:55     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-03-15 12:38       ` Michal Hocko
2021-03-15 19:09         ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-15 19:40           ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2021-03-15 22:27             ` Dave Chinner
2021-03-17 17:48             ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-03-15 21:33         ` Andi Kleen
2021-03-15 13:45       ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-03-19  4:01 ` Matthew Wilcox

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