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From: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: Menglong Dong <menglong8.dong@gmail.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	hare@suse.de, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, tj@kernel.org,
	Menglong Dong <dong.menglong@zte.com.cn>,
	song@kernel.org, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com, f.fainelli@gmail.com, arnd@arndb.de,
	Barret Rhoden <brho@google.com>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	vbabka@suse.cz, Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>,
	pmladek@suse.com, Chris Down <chris@chrisdown.name>,
	ebiederm@xmission.com, jojing64@gmail.com,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	palmerdabbelt@google.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND] init/initramfs.c: make initramfs support pivot_root
Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 01:43:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210525014304.GH4332@42.do-not-panic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADxym3akKEurTTGiBxYZiXKVWUbOg=a8UeuRsJ07tT+DixA8mw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 08:55:48AM +0800, Menglong Dong wrote:
> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 6:58 AM Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > However, if you introduce it as a kconfig option so that users
> > who want to use this new feature can enable it, and then use it,
> > the its sold as a new feature.
> >
> > Should this always be enabled, or done this way? Should we never have
> > the option to revert back to the old behaviour? If not, why not?
> >
> 
> This change seems transparent to users, which don't change the behavior
> of initramfs. 

Are we sure there nothing in the kernel that can regress with this
change? Are you sure? How sure?

> However, it seems more reasonable to make it a kconfig option.
> I'll do it in the v2 of the three patches I sended.

I'm actually quite convinced now this is a desirable default *other*
than the concern if this could regress. I recently saw some piece of
code fetching for the top most mount, I think it was on the
copy_user_ns() path or something like that, which made me just
consider possible regressions for heuristics we might have forgotten
about.

I however have't yet had time to review the path I was concerned for
yet.

> > What do you mean? init_mount_tree() is always called, and it has
> > statically:
> >
> > static void __init init_mount_tree(void)
> > {
> >         struct vfsmount *mnt;
> >         ...
> >         mnt = vfs_kern_mount(&rootfs_fs_type, 0, "rootfs", NULL);
> >         ...
> > }
> >
> > And as I noted, this is *always* called earlier than
> > do_populate_rootfs(). Your changes did not remove the init_mount_tree()
> > or modify it, and so why would the context of the above call always
> > be OK to be used now with a ramfs context now?
> >
> > > So it makes no sense to make the file system of the first mount selectable.
> >
> > Why? I don't see why, nor is it explained, we're always caling
> > vfs_kern_mount(&rootfs_fs_type, ...) and you have not changed that
> > either.
> >
> > > To simplify the code here, I make it ramfs_init_fs_context directly. In fact,
> > > it's fine to make it shmen_init_fs_context here too.
> >
> > So indeed you're suggesting its arbitrary now.... I don't see why.
> >
> 
> So the biggest problem now seems to be the first mount I changed, maybe I didn't
> make it clear before.
> 
> Let's call the first mount which is created in init_mount_tree() the
> 'init_mount'.
> If the 'root' is a block fs, initrd or nfs, the 'init_mount' will be a
> ramfs, that seems
> clear, it can be seen from the enable of tmpfs:
> 
> void __init init_rootfs(void)
> {
>     if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_TMPFS) && !saved_root_name[0] &&
>        (!root_fs_names || strstr(root_fs_names, "tmpfs")))
>        is_tmpfs = true;
> }

Ah yes, I see now... Thanks!
 
  Luis

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-25  1:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-20 15:42 [PATCH RESEND] init/initramfs.c: make initramfs support pivot_root menglong8.dong
2021-05-20 21:41 ` Luis Chamberlain
2021-05-21  0:41   ` Menglong Dong
2021-05-21 15:50     ` Luis Chamberlain
2021-05-22  4:09       ` Menglong Dong
2021-05-24 22:58         ` Luis Chamberlain
2021-05-25  0:55           ` Menglong Dong
2021-05-25  1:43             ` Luis Chamberlain [this message]
2021-05-25  6:09               ` Menglong Dong

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