From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: ValdikSS <iam@valdikss.org.ru>
Cc: Alexey Avramov <hakavlad@inbox.lv>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
corbet@lwn.net, mcgrof@kernel.org, keescook@chromium.org,
yzaikin@google.com, oleksandr@natalenko.name, kernel@xanmod.org,
aros@gmx.com, hakavlad@gmail.com, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/vmscan: add sysctl knobs for protecting the working set
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2021 13:58:24 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211202135824.33d2421bf5116801cfa2040d@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2dc51fc8-f14e-17ed-a8c6-0ec70423bf54@valdikss.org.ru>
On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 21:05:01 +0300 ValdikSS <iam@valdikss.org.ru> wrote:
> This patchset is surprisingly effective and very useful for low-end PC
> with slow HDD, single-board ARM boards with slow storage, cheap Android
> smartphones with limited amount of memory. It almost completely prevents
> thrashing condition and aids in fast OOM killer invocation.
>
> The similar file-locking patch is used in ChromeOS for nearly 10 years
> but not on stock Linux or Android. It would be very beneficial for
> lower-performance Android phones, SBCs, old PCs and other devices.
>
> With this patch, combined with zram, I'm able to run the following
> software on an old office PC from 2007 with __only 2GB of RAM__
> simultaneously:
>
> * Firefox with 37 active tabs (all data in RAM, no tab unloading)
> * Discord
> * Skype
> * LibreOffice with the document opened
> * Two PDF files (14 and 47 megabytes in size)
>
> And the PC doesn't crawl like a snail, even with 2+ GB in zram!
> Without the patch, this PC is barely usable.
> Please watch the video:
> https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/linux-for-old-pc-from-2007/en/
>
This is quite a condemnation of the current VM. It shouldn't crawl
like a snail.
The patch simply sets hard limits on page reclaim's malfunctioning.
I'd prefer that reclaim not malfunction :(
That being said, I can see that a blunt instrument like this would be
useful.
I don't think that the limits should be "N bytes on the current node".
Nodes can have different amounts of memory so I expect it should scale
the hard limits on a per-node basis. And of course, the various zones
have different size as well.
We do already have a lot of sysctls for controlling these sort of
things. Was much work put into attempting to utilize the existing
sysctls to overcome these issues?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-02 21:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-11-30 11:16 [PATCH] mm/vmscan: add sysctl knobs for protecting the working set Alexey Avramov
2021-11-30 15:28 ` Luis Chamberlain
2021-11-30 18:56 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2021-12-01 15:51 ` Alexey Avramov
2021-12-02 18:05 ` ValdikSS
2021-12-02 21:58 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2021-12-03 11:59 ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-12-03 13:27 ` Alexey Avramov
2021-12-06 9:59 ` Michal Hocko
2022-01-09 22:59 ` Barry Song
2021-12-03 14:01 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2021-12-12 20:15 ` Alexey Avramov
2021-12-13 9:06 ` Barry Song
2021-12-13 9:07 ` Michal Hocko
2021-12-13 8:38 ` Barry Song
2022-01-25 8:19 ` ValdikSS
2022-02-12 0:01 ` Barry Song
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