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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Dave Wysochanski <dwysocha@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nfs <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Karel Zak <kzak@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC] VFS: LOOKUP_MOUNTPOINT should used cached info whenever possible.
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 10:04:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230418-windrad-bezahlbar-0ef93bef8f3f@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1AC965F2-BAC6-4D0F-A2A6-C414CDF110AF@dilger.ca>

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 09:25:20PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote:
> 
> > On Apr 17, 2023, at 9:21 AM, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org> wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 2023-04-17 at 16:24 +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> >> And I'm curious why is it obvious that we don't want to revalidate _any_
> >> path component and not just the last one? Why is that generally safe?
> >> Why can't this be used to access files and directories the caller
> >> wouldn't otherwise be able to access? I would like to have this spelled
> >> out for slow people like me, please.
> >> 
> >> From my point of view, this would only be somewhat safe _generally_ if
> >> you'd allow circumvention for revalidation and permission checking if
> >> MNT_FORCE is specified and the caller has capable(CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH).
> >> You'd still mess with overlayfs permission model in this case though.
> >> 
> >> Plus, there are better options of solving this problem. Again, I'd
> >> rather build a separate api for unmounting then playing such potentially
> >> subtle security sensitive games with permission checking during path
> >> lookup.
> > 
> > umount(2) is really a special case because the whole intent is to detach
> > a mount from the local hierarchy and stop using it. The unfortunate bit
> > is that it is a path-based syscall.
> > 
> > So usually we have to:
> > 
> > - determine the path: Maybe stat() it and to validate that it's the
> >   mountpoint we want to drop
> 
> The stat() itself may hang because a remote server, or USB stick is
> inaccessible or having media errors.
> 
> I've just been having a conversation with Karel Zak to change
> umount(1) to use statx() so that it interacts minimally with the fs.

So we're talking about this commit:
https://github.com/util-linux/util-linux/commit/42e141d20505a0deb969c2e583a463c26aadc62f
and the patch we discussed here:
https://github.com/util-linux/util-linux/issues/2049

> 
> In particular, nfs_getattr() skips revalidate if only minimal attrs
> are fetched (STATX_TYPE | STATX_INO), and also skips revalidate if
> locally-cached attrs are still valid (STATX_MODE), so this will
> avoid yet one more place that unmount can hang.
> 
> In theory, vfs_getattr() could get all of these attributes directly
> from the vfs_inode in the unmount case.

We don't really need that. As pointed out in that discussion and as
Karel did we just want to pass AT_STATX_DONT_SYNC.

An api that would allow unmounting by mount id can safely check and
retrieve AT_STATX_DONT_SYNC with STATX_ATTR_MOUNT_ROOT and STATX_MNT_ID
without ever syncing with the server.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-18  8:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-13 22:00 allowing for a completely cached umount(2) pathwalk Jeff Layton
2023-04-13 22:25 ` Andreas Dilger
2023-04-13 22:41 ` NeilBrown
2023-04-14  2:43   ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  3:28     ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14  3:51       ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  4:06         ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14  4:21           ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  9:41         ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 10:09           ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 11:16             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 12:33               ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 12:51                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-15  9:51             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-04-14 10:06     ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 13:41       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 14:21         ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 15:13           ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 15:30             ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 15:57               ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 16:22                 ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 16:41                   ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 19:01                     ` Benjamin Coddington
2023-04-17  8:22                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 16:32               ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14  2:32 ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 10:01   ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 12:18     ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 14:57     ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 13:16   ` David Wysochanski
2023-04-16 23:13 ` [PATCH/RFC] VFS: LOOKUP_MOUNTPOINT should used cached info whenever possible NeilBrown
2023-04-17 11:55   ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 12:25     ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-17 14:24       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 15:21         ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-17 21:34           ` NeilBrown
2023-04-18  8:10             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-18  3:25           ` Andreas Dilger
2023-04-18  8:04             ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2023-04-20 13:05               ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-20 15:41                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 21:26     ` NeilBrown
2023-04-20 21:35       ` Al Viro
2023-04-20 22:01         ` NeilBrown
2023-04-20 22:27           ` Al Viro
2023-04-17 12:09   ` Jeff Layton

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