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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] pipe: nonblocking rw for io_uring
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 10:39:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230508083929.GT83892@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <978690c4-1d25-46e8-3375-45940ec1ea51@huaweicloud.com>

On Sun, May 07, 2023 at 04:04:23PM +0200, Jonas Oberhauser wrote:
> 
> Am 4/25/2023 um 9:58 PM schrieb Linus Torvalds:
> > Yes, I think Mark is right. It's not that 'old' might be wrong - that
> > doesn't matter because cmpxchg will work it out - it's just that 'new'
> > might not be consistent with the old value we then use.
> 
> In the general pattern, besides the potential issue raised by Mark, tearing
> may also be an issue (longer example inspired by a case we met at the end of
> the mail) where 'old' being wrong matters.

There is yet another pattern where it actually matters:

	old = READ_ONCE(*ptr);
	do {
		if (cond(old))
			return false;

		new = func(old);
	} while (!try_cmpxchg(ptr, &old, new));

	return true;

In this case we rely on old being 'coherent'. The more obvious case is
where it returns old (also not uncommon), but even if it just checks a
(multi-bit) condition on old you don't want tearing.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-05-08  8:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-21 14:01 [GIT PULL] pipe: nonblocking rw for io_uring Christian Brauner
2023-04-24 21:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-24 21:22   ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-24 21:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-24 21:55       ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-24 22:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-24 22:05           ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-24 22:03         ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-24 21:58       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-24 22:07         ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-24 22:44           ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-25  3:16             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-25 13:46               ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-25 17:20               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-25 19:49                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-25 19:58                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-25 20:10                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-04-25 20:29                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                     ` <978690c4-1d25-46e8-3375-45940ec1ea51@huaweicloud.com>
2023-05-08  8:39                       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-05-08 10:16                         ` David Laight

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