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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	lujialin4@huawei.com, lizefan.x@bytedance.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, mingo@redhat.com, ebiggers@kernel.org,
	oleg@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	bristot@redhat.com, vschneid@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] kernfs: add kernfs_ops.free operation to free resources tied to the file
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 09:26:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230628-meisennest-redlich-c09e79fde7f7@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpGoNbLOLm08LWKPOgn05+FB1GEqeMTUSJUZpRmDYQSjpA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 08:09:46PM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 6:54 PM Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 02:58:08PM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > Ok in kernfs_generic_poll() we are using kernfs_open_node.poll
> > > waitqueue head for polling and kernfs_open_node is freed from inside
> > > kernfs_unlink_open_file() which is called from kernfs_fop_release().
> > > So, it is destroyed only when the last fput() is done, unlike the
> > > ops->release() operation which we are using for destroying PSI
> > > trigger's waitqueue. So, it seems we still need an operation which
> > > would indicate that the file is truly going away.
> >
> > If we want to stay consistent with how kernfs behaves w.r.t. severing, the
> > right thing to do would be preventing any future polling at severing and
> > waking up everyone currently waiting, which sounds fine from cgroup behavior
> > POV too.
> 
> That's actually what we are currently doing for PSI triggers.
> ->release() is handled by cgroup_pressure_release() which signals the
> waiters, waits for RCU grace period to pass (per
> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/include/linux/wait.h#L258)
> and then releases all the trigger resources including the waitqueue
> head. However as reported in
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230613062306.101831-1-lujialin4@huawei.com
> this does not save us from the synchronous polling case:
> 
>                                                   do_select
>                                                       vfs_poll
> cgroup_pressure_release
>     psi_trigger_destroy
>         wake_up_pollfree(&t->event_wait) -> unblocks vfs_poll
>         synchronize_rcu()
>         kfree(t) -> frees waitqueue head
>                                                      poll_freewait()
> -> uses waitqueue head
> 
> 
> This happens because we release the resources associated with the file
> while there are still file users (the file's refcount is non-zero).
> And that happens because kernfs can call ->release() before the last
> fput().
> 
> >
> > Now, the challenge is designing an interface which is difficult to make
> > mistake with. IOW, it'd be great if kernfs wraps poll call so that severing
> > is implemented without kernfs users doing anything, or at least make it
> > pretty obvious what the correct usage pattern is.
> >
> > > Christian's suggestion to rename current ops->release() operation into
> > > ops->drain() (or ops->flush() per Matthew's request) and introduce a
> > > "new" ops->release() which is called only when the last fput() is done
> > > seems sane to me. Would everyone be happy with that approach?
> >
> > I'm not sure I'd go there. The contract is that once ->release() is called,
> > the code backing that file can go away (e.g. rmmod'd). It really should
> > behave just like the last put from kernfs users' POV.
> 
> I 100% agree with the above statement.
> 
> > For this specific fix,
> > it's safe because we know the ops is always built into the kernel and won't
> > go away but it'd be really bad if the interface says "this is a normal thing
> > to do". We'd be calling into rmmod'd text pages in no time.
> >
> > So, I mean, even for temporary fix, we have to make it abundantly clear that
> > this is not for usual usage and can only be used if the code backing the ops
> > is built into the kernel and so on.
> 
> I think the root cause of this problem is that ->release() in kernfs
> does not adhere to the common rule that ->release() is called only
> when the file is going away and has no users left. Am I wrong?

So imho, ultimately this all comes down to rmdir() having special
semantics in kernfs. On any regular filesystem an rmdir() on a directory
which is still referenced by a struct file doesn't trigger an
f_op->release() operation. It's just that directory is unlinked and
you get some sort of errno like ENOENT when you try to create new files
in there or whatever. The actual f_op->release) however is triggered
on last fput().

But in essence, kernfs treats an rmdir() operation as being equivalent
to a final fput() such that it somehow magically kills all file
references. And that's just wrong and not supported.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-28  8:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-26 20:17 [PATCH 1/2] kernfs: add kernfs_ops.free operation to free resources tied to the file Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-26 20:17 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/psi: tie psi trigger destruction with file's lifecycle Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-26 20:21 ` [PATCH 1/2] kernfs: add kernfs_ops.free operation to free resources tied to the file Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-26 20:31 ` Tejun Heo
2023-06-26 20:39   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-27  8:24   ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-27 17:09     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-27 17:30       ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-27 17:36         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-27 18:42         ` Tejun Heo
2023-06-27 20:09           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-27 21:43             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-27 21:58               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-28  1:54                 ` Tejun Heo
2023-06-28  3:09                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-28  7:26                     ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2023-06-28  7:46                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-28  8:41                         ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-28 16:28                           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-28 17:35                             ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-28 18:02                               ` Tejun Heo
2023-06-28 18:18                                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-28 18:42                                   ` Greg KH
2023-06-28 20:12                                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-28 20:34                                       ` Tejun Heo
2023-06-28 21:50                                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-30  0:59                                           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-30  8:21                                             ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-10 20:38                                               ` Tejun Heo
2023-06-28 17:58                       ` Tejun Heo
2023-06-27  6:25 ` Greg KH
2023-06-27 17:03   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2023-06-27 17:23     ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-27 17:36     ` Matthew Wilcox

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