From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64B5EB64DA for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2023 17:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232729AbjGGR0q (ORCPT ); Fri, 7 Jul 2023 13:26:46 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:48742 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S232517AbjGGR0m (ORCPT ); Fri, 7 Jul 2023 13:26:42 -0400 Received: from out-54.mta1.migadu.com (out-54.mta1.migadu.com [IPv6:2001:41d0:203:375::36]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52E992690 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2023 10:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 13:26:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux.dev; s=key1; t=1688750794; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=U+fhYBe98Yp7ck/ha/HJfr6SRjqVS7qBuG/PuLcCjCk=; b=hNFNTvo4VaEOaCkebxW+T1dO0TA+w2qciZqmggXCIp6g/Kgr+/FZvCzYXpU+s6nleWS4oH 1fdVhrZMyV2Svzi9pwookzUFRUM1HTKunLLZv5hnf1y2vQ3uhJuzvO/iCvQQ9Q+dj18dbx Kb4l+dO05VAKkxliVPv4znsiKaEn16M= X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. From: Kent Overstreet To: James Bottomley Cc: Christian Brauner , "Darrick J. Wong" , Josef Bacik , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, dchinner@redhat.com, sandeen@redhat.com, willy@infradead.org, tytso@mit.edu, bfoster@redhat.com, jack@suse.cz, andreas.gruenbacher@gmail.com, peterz@infradead.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, dhowells@redhat.com Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs Message-ID: <20230707172626.zlpdwyyko4trwcff@moria.home.lan> References: <20230626214656.hcp4puionmtoloat@moria.home.lan> <20230706155602.mnhsylo3pnief2of@moria.home.lan> <20230706164055.GA2306489@perftesting> <20230706173819.36c67pf42ba4gmv4@moria.home.lan> <20230706211914.GB11476@frogsfrogsfrogs> <20230707-badeverbot-gekettet-19ce3c238dac@brauner> <20230707091810.bamrvzcif7ncng46@moria.home.lan> <30661670c55601ff475f2f0698c2be2958e45c38.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20230707164808.nisoh3ia4xkdgjj3@moria.home.lan> <85ec096ee90e3d62ebb496b3faeb4dce25e3deab.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <85ec096ee90e3d62ebb496b3faeb4dce25e3deab.camel@HansenPartnership.com> X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Jul 07, 2023 at 01:04:14PM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > On Fri, 2023-07-07 at 12:48 -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 07, 2023 at 12:26:19PM -0400, James Bottomley wrote: > > > On Fri, 2023-07-07 at 05:18 -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote: > [...] > > > > In that offlist thread, I don't recall much in the way of actual, > > > > concrete concerns. I do recall Christoph doing his usual schpiel; > > > > and to be clear, I cut short my interactions with Christoph > > > > because in nearly 15 years of kernel development he's never been > > > > anything but hostile to anything I've posted, and the criticisms > > > > he posts tend to be vague and unaware of the surrounding > > > > discussion, not anything actionable. > > > > > > This too is a red flag.  Working with difficult people is one of a > > > maintainer's jobs as well.  Christoph has done an enormous amount > > > of highly productive work over the years.  Sure, he's prickly and > > > sure there have been fights, but everyone except you seems to > > > manage to patch things up and accept his contributions.  If it were > > > just one personal problem it might be overlookable, but you seem to > > > be having major fights with the maintainer of every subsystem you > > > touch... > > > > James, I will bend over backwards to work with people who will work > > to continue the technical discussion. > > You will? Because that doesn't seem to align with your statement about > Christoph being "vague and unaware of the surrounding discussions" and > not posting "anything actionable" for the last 15 years. No-one else > has that impression and we've almost all had run-ins with Christoph at > some point. If I'm going to respond to this I'd have to start citing interactions and I don't want to dig things that deep in public. Can we either try to resolve this privately or drop it?