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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Zdenek Kabelac <zkabelac@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dm-devel@redhat.com, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fix writing to the filesystem after unmount
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 18:08:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230906170856.GA800259@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f5d63867-5b3e-294b-d1f5-a128817cfc7@redhat.com>

On Wed, Sep 06, 2023 at 05:03:34PM +0200, Mikulas Patocka wrote:

> > IOW, you'd also hang on any umount of a bind-mount. IOW, every
> > single container making use of this filesystems via bind-mounts would
> > hang on umount and shutdown.
> 
> bind-mount doesn't modify "s->s_writers.frozen", so the patch does nothing 
> in this case. I tried unmounting bind-mounts and there was no deadlock.

You are making *any* mount destruction hang if the sucker is frozen.
Which includes the things like exit(2) of the last process within
a namespace, etc.

And it does include the things like mount --bind /usr/bin/gcc /tmp/cc; umount /tmp/cc
if /usr happened to be frozen at the moment.

This is really not an option.

> BTW. what do you think that unmount of a frozen filesystem should properly 
> do? Fail with -EBUSY? Or, unfreeze the filesystem and unmount it? Or 
> something else?

It's not just umount(2).  It's exit(2).  And close(2).  And AF_UNIX garbage
collector taking out an undeliverable SCM_RIGHTS datagram that happens to
contain a reference to the last opened file on lazy-umounted fs, etc.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-09-06 17:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-06 13:26 [PATCH] fix writing to the filesystem after unmount Mikulas Patocka
2023-09-06 14:27 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 15:03   ` Mikulas Patocka
2023-09-06 15:33     ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 15:58       ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 16:01       ` Mikulas Patocka
2023-09-06 16:19         ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 16:52           ` Mikulas Patocka
2023-09-07  9:44             ` Jan Kara
2023-09-07 10:43               ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-07 12:04                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2023-09-08  7:32                   ` Jan Kara
2023-09-08  9:29                     ` Zdenek Kabelac
2023-09-08 10:20                       ` Jan Kara
2023-09-08 12:02                         ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-08 16:49                           ` John Stoffel
2023-09-09 11:21                         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]                         ` <15c62097-d58f-4e66-bdf5-e0edb1306b2f@redhat.com>
2023-09-08 11:32                           ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-08 12:07                             ` Zdenek Kabelac
2023-09-08 12:34                               ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-12  9:10                           ` Jan Kara
2023-09-08 12:01                     ` Pavel Machek
2023-09-08 11:59               ` Pavel Machek
2023-09-06 17:10         ` Al Viro
2023-09-06 17:08     ` Al Viro [this message]
2023-09-06 15:22 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-06 15:38   ` Christian Brauner

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