From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
brauner@kernel.org,
syzbot+1fa947e7f09e136925b8@syzkaller.appspotmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] iomap: add a workaround for racy i_size updates on block devices
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 08:53:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230925155344.GA11439@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230925151816.GA444@lst.de>
On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 05:18:16PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 08:09:02AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > > + /*
> > > + * This can happen if truncating the block device races
> > > + * with the check in the caller as i_size updates on
> > > + * block devices aren't synchronized by i_rwsem for
> > > + * block devices.
> >
> > Why /are/ bdevs special like this (not holding i_rwsem during a
> > truncate) anyway? Is it because we require the sysadmin to coordinate
> > device shrink vs. running programs?
>
> It's not just truncate, they also don't hold a lock on write.
Oh! So they don't. Heh.
> I think the reason is that there is no such things as the block allocator
> and block truncation that happens for block devices, they historically
> had a fixed size, and at some point we allowed to change that size
> by various crude means that are only slowly becoming more standardized
> and formal. Real block device size changes are about 100% growing of
> the device, as that is an actually useful feature. Shrinks OTOH are
> usuall a "cute" hack: block drivers set the size to 0 stop I/O when they
> are shut down. I've been wanting to replace that with an actual check
> in the bdev fd I/O path for a while, but that would also mean the
> shrinking case would still be around, just exercised a lot less.
You call bdev shrink a cute hack, cloud tenants call it a cost-reducing
activity, and cloud vendors call it a revenue opportunity because
shrinking filesystems is un***** expensive in terms of CPU time and IO
usage. ;)
Anyway, I'm not going to argue with longstanding blockdev precedent.
Reviewed-by: Darrick J. Wong <djwong@kernel.org>
--D
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Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-25 9:51 [PATCH] iomap: add a workaround for racy i_size updates on block devices Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-25 15:09 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-25 15:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-25 15:53 ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
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