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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] simplifying fast_dput(), dentry_kill() et.al.
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 19:54:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231105195416.GA2771969@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231031001848.GX800259@ZenIV>

On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 12:18:48AM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 12:18:28PM -1000, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 at 11:53, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > After fixing a couple of brainos, it seems to work.
> > 
> > This all makes me unnaturally nervous, probably because it;s overly
> > subtle, and I have lost the context for some of the rules.
> 
> A bit of context: I started to look at the possibility of refcount overflows.
> Writing the current rules for dentry refcounting and lifetime down was the
> obvious first step, and that immediately turned into an awful mess.
> 
> It is overly subtle.

	Another piece of too subtle shite: ordering of ->d_iput() of child
and __dentry_kill() of parent.  As it is, in some cases it is possible for
the latter to happen before the former.  It is *not* possible in the cases
when in-tree ->d_iput() instances actually look at the parent (all of those
are due to sillyrename stuff), but the proof is convoluted and very brittle.

	The origin of that mess is in the interaction of shrink_dcache_for_umount()
with shrink_dentry_list().  What we want to avoid is a directory looking like
it's busy since shrink_dcache_for_umount() doesn't see any children to account
for positive refcount of parent.  The kinda-sorta solution we use is to decrement
the parent's refcount *before* __dentry_kill() of child and put said parent
into a shrink list.  That makes shrink_dcache_for_umount() do the right thing,
but it's possible to end up with parent freed before the child is done with;
scenario is non-obvious, and rather hard to hit, but it's not impossible.

	dput() does no such thing - it does not decrement the parent's
refcount until the child had been taken care of.  That's fine, as far
as shrink_dcache_for_umount() is concerned - this is not a false positive;
with slightly different timing shrink_dcache_for_umount() would've reported
the child as being busy.  IOW, there should be no overlap between dput()
in one thread and shrink_dcache_for_umount() in another.  Unfortunately,
memory eviction *can* come in the middle of shrink_dcache_for_umount().

	Life would be much simpler if shrink_dentry_list() would not have
to pull that kind of tricks and used the same ordering as dput() does.
IMO there's a reasonably cheap way to achieve that:

	* have shrink_dcache_for_umount() mark the superblock (either in
->s_flags or inside the ->s_dentry_lru itself) and have the logics
in retain_dentry() that does insertion into LRU list check ->d_sb for that
mark, treating its presence as "do not retain".
	* after marking the superblock shrink_dentry_for_umount() is guaranteed
that nothing new will be added to shrink list in question.  Have it call
shrink_dcache_sb() to drain LRU.
	* Now shrink_dentry_list() in one thread hitting a dentry on
a superblock going throug shrink_dcache_for_umount() in another thread is
always a bug and reporting busy dentries is the right thing to do.
So we can switch shrink_dentry_list() to the same "drop reference to parent
only after the child had been killed" ordering as we have in dput().

	IMO that removes a fairly nasty trap for ->d_iput() and ->d_delete()
instances.  As for the overhead, the relevant fragment of retain_dentry() is
	if (unlikely(!(dentry->d_flags & DCACHE_LRU_LIST)))
		d_lru_add(dentry);
	else if (unlikely(!(dentry->d_flags & DCACHE_REFERENCED)))
		dentry->d_flags |= DCACHE_REFERENCED;
	return true;
That would become
	if (unlikely(!(dentry->d_flags & DCACHE_LRU_LIST))) {
		if (unlikely(dentry->d_sb is marked))
			return false;
		d_lru_add(dentry);
	} else if (unlikely(!(dentry->d_flags & DCACHE_REFERENCED)))
		dentry->d_flags |= DCACHE_REFERENCED;
	return true;
Note that d_lru_add() will hit ->d_sb->s_dentry_lru, so we are not
adding memory traffic here; the else if part doesn't need to be
touched - we only need to prevent insertions into LRU.

	Comments?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-11-05 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-30  0:37 [RFC] simplifying fast_dput(), dentry_kill() et.al Al Viro
2023-10-30 21:53 ` Al Viro
2023-10-30 22:18   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-31  0:18     ` Al Viro
2023-10-31  1:53       ` Al Viro
2023-10-31  6:12         ` Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:18           ` Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20           ` [PATCH 01/15] fast_dput(): having ->d_delete() is not reason to delay refcount decrement Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 02/15] fast_dput(): handle underflows gracefully Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 03/15] fast_dput(): new rules for refcount Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 04/15] __dput_to_list(): do decrement of refcount in the caller Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 05/15] retain_dentry(): lift decrement of ->d_count into callers Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 06/15] __dentry_kill(): get consistent rules for ->d_count Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 07/15] dentry_kill(): don't bother with retain_dentry() on slow path Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 08/15] Call retain_dentry() with refcount 0 Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 09/15] fold the call of retain_dentry() into fast_dput() Al Viro
2023-11-01  8:45               ` Al Viro
2023-11-01 17:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-01 18:19                   ` Al Viro
2023-11-10  4:20                     ` lockless case of retain_dentry() (was Re: [PATCH 09/15] fold the call of retain_dentry() into fast_dput()) Al Viro
2023-11-10  5:57                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-10  6:22                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-22  6:29                           ` Guo Ren
2023-11-10  8:19                         ` Al Viro
2023-11-22  7:19                         ` Guo Ren
2023-11-22 17:20                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-22 17:52                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-22 18:05                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-22 19:11                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-29  7:14                                 ` Guo Ren
2023-11-29 12:25                                 ` Guo Ren
2023-11-29 14:42                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-26 16:39                             ` Guo Ren
2023-11-26 16:51                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-30 10:00                                 ` Guo Ren
2023-12-01  1:09                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-12-01  3:36                                     ` Guo Ren
2023-12-01  5:15                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-12-01  7:31                                         ` Guo Ren
2023-11-26 16:51                               ` Guo Ren
2023-11-26 17:06                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-26 17:59                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-29  9:52                                 ` Guo Ren
2023-11-01  6:20             ` [PATCH 10/15] don't try to cut corners in shrink_lock_dentry() Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:21             ` [PATCH 11/15] fold dentry_kill() into dput() Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:21             ` [PATCH 12/15] get rid of __dget() Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:21             ` [PATCH 13/15] shrink_dentry_list(): no need to check that dentry refcount is marked dead Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:21             ` [PATCH 14/15] to_shrink_list(): call only if refcount is 0 Al Viro
2023-11-01  6:21             ` [PATCH 15/15] switch select_collect{,2}() to use of to_shrink_list() Al Viro
2023-11-01  2:22       ` [RFC] simplifying fast_dput(), dentry_kill() et.al Al Viro
2023-11-01 14:29         ` Benjamin Coddington
2023-11-05 19:54       ` Al Viro [this message]
2023-11-05 21:59         ` Al Viro
2023-11-06  5:53         ` Al Viro
2023-11-07  2:08           ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:19             ` [RFC][PATCHSET v2] " Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20               ` [PATCH 01/22] struct dentry: get rid of randomize_layout idiocy Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 02/22] switch nfsd_client_rmdir() to use of simple_recursive_removal() Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:42                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 14:01                   ` Chuck Lever
2023-11-09 18:47                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09 18:50                       ` Chuck Lever III
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 03/22] coda_flag_children(): cope with dentries turning negative Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:43                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 04/22] dentry: switch the lists of children to hlist Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:48                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 19:32                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 05/22] centralize killing dentry from shrink list Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:49                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 06/22] get rid of __dget() Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:50                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 07/22] shrink_dentry_list(): no need to check that dentry refcount is marked dead Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:53                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 20:28                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 08/22] fast_dput(): having ->d_delete() is not reason to delay refcount decrement Al Viro
2023-11-09 13:58                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 09/22] fast_dput(): handle underflows gracefully Al Viro
2023-11-09 14:46                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 20:39                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 10/22] fast_dput(): new rules for refcount Al Viro
2023-11-09 14:54                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 20:52                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 11/22] __dput_to_list(): do decrement of refcount in the callers Al Viro
2023-11-09 15:21                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 12/22] Make retain_dentry() neutral with respect to refcounting Al Viro
2023-11-09 15:22                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 13/22] __dentry_kill(): get consistent rules for victim's refcount Al Viro
2023-11-09 15:27                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 14/22] dentry_kill(): don't bother with retain_dentry() on slow path Al Viro
2023-11-09 15:53                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 21:29                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 15/22] Call retain_dentry() with refcount 0 Al Viro
2023-11-09 16:09                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 16/22] fold the call of retain_dentry() into fast_dput() Al Viro
2023-11-09 16:17                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 17/22] don't try to cut corners in shrink_lock_dentry() Al Viro
2023-11-09 17:20                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 21:45                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-10  9:07                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 17:39                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-09 18:11                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-09 18:20                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 18/22] fold dentry_kill() into dput() Al Viro
2023-11-09 17:22                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 19/22] to_shrink_list(): call only if refcount is 0 Al Viro
2023-11-09 17:29                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 20/22] switch select_collect{,2}() to use of to_shrink_list() Al Viro
2023-11-09 17:31                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 21/22] d_prune_aliases(): use a shrink list Al Viro
2023-11-09 17:33                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09  6:20                 ` [PATCH 22/22] __dentry_kill(): new locking scheme Al Viro
2023-11-10 13:34                   ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-09 13:33                 ` [PATCH 01/22] struct dentry: get rid of randomize_layout idiocy Christian Brauner
2023-10-31  2:25     ` [RFC] simplifying fast_dput(), dentry_kill() et.al Gao Xiang
2023-10-31  2:29       ` Gao Xiang
2023-10-31  3:02       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-31  3:13         ` Gao Xiang
2023-10-31  3:26         ` Al Viro
2023-10-31  3:41           ` Linus Torvalds

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