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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Gabriel Krisman Bertazi <gabriel@krisman.be>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	tytso@mit.edu, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	ebiggers@kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	jaegeuk@kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Subject: Re: fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v6 0/9] Support negative dentries on case-insensitive ext4 and f2fs
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 16:03:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231127160318.GI38156@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87jzq3nqos.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org>

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 09:47:47AM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:

> There is a lot going on there.  I remember one of the relevant
> restrictions was marking dentries dont_mount, and inodes S_DEAD
> in unlink and rmdir.
> 
> But even without out that marking if d_invalidate is called
> from d_revalidate the inode and all of it's dentries must be
> dead because the inode is stale and most go.  There should
> be no resurrecting it at that point.
> 
> I suspect the most fruitful way to think of the d_invalidate vs
> d_splice_alias races is an unlink vs rename race.
> 
> I don't think the mechanism matters, but deeply and fundamentally
> if we detect a directory inode is dead we need to stick with
> that decision and not attempt to resurrect it with d_splice_alias.

Wrong.  Deeply and fundamentally we detect a dentry that does not
match the directory contents according to the server.

For example, due to rename done on server.  With object in question
perfectly alive there - fhandle still works, etc.

However, it's no longer where it used to be.  And we would bloody better
not have lookups for the old name result in access to that object.
We also should never allow the access to *new* name lead to two live
dentries for the same directory inode.

Again, this is not about rmdir() or unlink() - invalidation can happen
for object that is still open, still accessed and still very much alive.
Does that all the time for any filesystem with ->d_revalidate().

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-11-27 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-16  5:07 [PATCH v6 0/9] Support negative dentries on case-insensitive ext4 and f2fs Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:07 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] ecryptfs: Reject casefold directory inodes Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:07 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] 9p: Split ->weak_revalidate from ->revalidate Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:07 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] fs: Expose name under lookup to d_revalidate hooks Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-22 20:59   ` Al Viro
2023-08-16  5:07 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] fs: Add DCACHE_CASEFOLDED_NAME flag Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-22 20:32   ` Al Viro
2023-08-16  5:07 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] libfs: Validate negative dentries in case-insensitive directories Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-22 20:20   ` Al Viro
2023-08-16  5:08 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] libfs: Chain encryption checks after case-insensitive revalidation Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:08 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] libfs: Merge encrypted_ci_dentry_ops and ci_dentry_ops Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:08 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] ext4: Enable negative dentries on case-insensitive lookup Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:08 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] f2fs: " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-17 17:06 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Support negative dentries on case-insensitive ext4 and f2fs Eric Biggers
2023-08-21 15:52   ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-21 18:53     ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-22  9:03       ` Christian Brauner
2023-10-24 22:20         ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-10-25 13:32 ` Christian Brauner
2023-10-25 15:19   ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-19 23:11   ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
     [not found]   ` <655a9634.630a0220.d50d7.5063SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2023-11-20 15:06     ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-20 16:59       ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-20 18:07       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-21  2:02         ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-21  2:29           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-21  3:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-21  5:12               ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-22 21:04                 ` Al Viro
2023-11-21  2:27         ` Al Viro
2023-11-22 21:19           ` Al Viro
2023-11-23  0:18             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-23  5:09               ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 15:57               ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 17:12                 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 17:37                   ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 18:24                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 19:06                       ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 19:53                         ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 20:15                           ` Al Viro
2023-11-24 15:20                           ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-28  0:02                             ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 21:52                         ` Al Viro
2023-11-24 15:22                           ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-25 22:01                             ` Al Viro
2023-11-26  4:52                               ` Al Viro
2023-11-26 18:41                                 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Al Viro
2023-11-27  6:38                                   ` Al Viro
2023-11-27 15:47                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 16:01                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 17:25                                         ` Al Viro
2023-11-27 18:26                                           ` Al Viro
2023-11-27 16:03                                       ` Al Viro [this message]
2023-11-27 16:14                                         ` Al Viro
2023-11-27 18:19                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 18:43                                             ` Al Viro
2023-11-27 16:33                                     ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-29  4:53                                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-29 10:21                                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-29 15:19                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <655f7665.df0a0220.58a21.e84fSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2023-11-23 16:41                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-23  1:12             ` Al Viro
2023-11-23  1:22               ` Al Viro
2023-11-22  3:30         ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2024-01-16 19:02 ` patchwork-bot+f2fs

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