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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Gabriel Krisman Bertazi <gabriel@krisman.be>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	tytso@mit.edu, linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	ebiggers@kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	jaegeuk@kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Subject: Re: fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was Re: [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v6 0/9] Support negative dentries on case-insensitive ext4 and f2fs
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 16:14:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231127161426.GA964333@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231127160318.GI38156@ZenIV>

On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 04:03:18PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 09:47:47AM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> 
> > There is a lot going on there.  I remember one of the relevant
> > restrictions was marking dentries dont_mount, and inodes S_DEAD
> > in unlink and rmdir.
> > 
> > But even without out that marking if d_invalidate is called
> > from d_revalidate the inode and all of it's dentries must be
> > dead because the inode is stale and most go.  There should
> > be no resurrecting it at that point.
> > 
> > I suspect the most fruitful way to think of the d_invalidate vs
> > d_splice_alias races is an unlink vs rename race.
> > 
> > I don't think the mechanism matters, but deeply and fundamentally
> > if we detect a directory inode is dead we need to stick with
> > that decision and not attempt to resurrect it with d_splice_alias.
> 
> Wrong.  Deeply and fundamentally we detect a dentry that does not
> match the directory contents according to the server.
> 
> For example, due to rename done on server.  With object in question
> perfectly alive there - fhandle still works, etc.
> 
> However, it's no longer where it used to be.  And we would bloody better
> not have lookups for the old name result in access to that object.
> We also should never allow the access to *new* name lead to two live
> dentries for the same directory inode.
> 
> Again, this is not about rmdir() or unlink() - invalidation can happen
> for object that is still open, still accessed and still very much alive.
> Does that all the time for any filesystem with ->d_revalidate().

Put another way, there used to be very odd song and dance in ->d_revalidate()
instances along the lines of "we can't possibly tell the caller to invalidate
a mountpoint"; it was racy in the best case and during the rewrite of
d_invalidate() to teach it how to evict submounts those attempts had been
dropped - ->d_revalidate() returning 0 does end up with mounts dissolved
by d_invalidate() from caller.

It always had been racy, starting with the checks that used to be in
->d_revalidate() instances way before all those changes.  So the switch
of d_invalidate() to dissolving submounts had been a step in the right
direction, but it's not being careful enough.

Again, it's about d_invalidate() caused by pathwalk running into a dentry that
doesn't match the reality vs. d_splice_alias() finding that it matches the
inode we had looked up elsewhere.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-27 16:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-16  5:07 [PATCH v6 0/9] Support negative dentries on case-insensitive ext4 and f2fs Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:07 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] ecryptfs: Reject casefold directory inodes Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:07 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] 9p: Split ->weak_revalidate from ->revalidate Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:07 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] fs: Expose name under lookup to d_revalidate hooks Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-22 20:59   ` Al Viro
2023-08-16  5:07 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] fs: Add DCACHE_CASEFOLDED_NAME flag Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-22 20:32   ` Al Viro
2023-08-16  5:07 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] libfs: Validate negative dentries in case-insensitive directories Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-22 20:20   ` Al Viro
2023-08-16  5:08 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] libfs: Chain encryption checks after case-insensitive revalidation Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:08 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] libfs: Merge encrypted_ci_dentry_ops and ci_dentry_ops Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:08 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] ext4: Enable negative dentries on case-insensitive lookup Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-16  5:08 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] f2fs: " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-17 17:06 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Support negative dentries on case-insensitive ext4 and f2fs Eric Biggers
2023-08-21 15:52   ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-21 18:53     ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-08-22  9:03       ` Christian Brauner
2023-10-24 22:20         ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-10-25 13:32 ` Christian Brauner
2023-10-25 15:19   ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-19 23:11   ` [f2fs-dev] " Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
     [not found]   ` <655a9634.630a0220.d50d7.5063SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2023-11-20 15:06     ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-20 16:59       ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-20 18:07       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-21  2:02         ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-21  2:29           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-21  3:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-21  5:12               ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-22 21:04                 ` Al Viro
2023-11-21  2:27         ` Al Viro
2023-11-22 21:19           ` Al Viro
2023-11-23  0:18             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-23  5:09               ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 15:57               ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 17:12                 ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 17:37                   ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 18:24                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 19:06                       ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-23 19:53                         ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 20:15                           ` Al Viro
2023-11-24 15:20                           ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-28  0:02                             ` Al Viro
2023-11-23 21:52                         ` Al Viro
2023-11-24 15:22                           ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2023-11-25 22:01                             ` Al Viro
2023-11-26  4:52                               ` Al Viro
2023-11-26 18:41                                 ` fun with d_invalidate() vs. d_splice_alias() was " Al Viro
2023-11-27  6:38                                   ` Al Viro
2023-11-27 15:47                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 16:01                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 17:25                                         ` Al Viro
2023-11-27 18:26                                           ` Al Viro
2023-11-27 16:03                                       ` Al Viro
2023-11-27 16:14                                         ` Al Viro [this message]
2023-11-27 18:19                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2023-11-27 18:43                                             ` Al Viro
2023-11-27 16:33                                     ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-29  4:53                                     ` Al Viro
2023-11-29 10:21                                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-11-29 15:19                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <655f7665.df0a0220.58a21.e84fSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2023-11-23 16:41                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-11-23  1:12             ` Al Viro
2023-11-23  1:22               ` Al Viro
2023-11-22  3:30         ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2024-01-16 19:02 ` patchwork-bot+f2fs

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