From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Bernd Edlinger <bernd.edlinger@hotmail.de>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v14] exec: Fix dead-lock in de_thread with ptrace_attach
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 17:38:09 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240117163739.GA32526@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AS8P193MB128538BC3833E654F56DA801E4722@AS8P193MB1285.EURP193.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
On 01/17, Bernd Edlinger wrote:
>
> >>
> >> The problem happens when a tracer tries to ptrace_attach
> >> to a multi-threaded process, that does an execve in one of
> >> the threads at the same time, without doing that in a forked
> >> sub-process. That means: There is a race condition, when one
> >> or more of the threads are already ptraced, but the thread
> >> that invoked the execve is not yet traced. Now in this
> >> case the execve locks the cred_guard_mutex and waits for
> >> de_thread to complete. But that waits for the traced
> >> sibling threads to exit, and those have to wait for the
> >> tracer to receive the exit signal, but the tracer cannot
> >> call wait right now, because it is waiting for the ptrace
> >> call to complete, and this never does not happen.
> >> The traced process and the tracer are now in a deadlock
> >> situation, and can only be killed by a fatal signal.
> >
> > This looks very confusing to me. And even misleading.
> >
> > So IIRC the problem is "simple".
> >
> > de_thread() sleeps with cred_guard_mutex waiting for other threads to
> > exit and pass release_task/__exit_signal.
> >
> > If one of the sub-threads is traced, debugger should do ptrace_detach()
> > or wait() to release this tracee, the killed tracee won't autoreap.
> >
>
> Yes. but the tracer has to do its job, and that is ptrace_attach the
> remaining treads, it does not know that it would avoid a dead-lock
> when it calls wait(), instead of ptrace_attach. It does not know
> that the tracee has just called execve in one of the not yet traced
> threads.
Hmm. I don't understand you.
I agree we have a problem which should be fixed. Just the changelog
looks confusing to me, imo it doesn't explain the race/problem clearly.
> > Now. If debugger tries to take the same cred_guard_mutex before
> > detach/wait we have a deadlock. This is not specific to ptrace_attach(),
> > proc_pid_attr_write() takes this lock too.
> >
> > Right? Or are there other issues?
> >
>
> No, proc_pid_attr_write has no problem if it waits for cred_guard_mutex,
> because it is only called from one of the sibling threads,
OK, thanks, I was wrong. I forgot about "A task may only write its own attributes".
So yes, ptrace_attach() is the only source of problematic mutex_lock() today.
There were more in the past.
> >> + if (unlikely(t->ptrace)
> >> + && (t != tsk->group_leader || !t->exit_state))
> >> + unsafe_execve_in_progress = true;
> >
> > The !t->exit_state is not right... This sub-thread can already be a zombie
> > with ->exit_state != 0 but see above, it won't be reaped until the debugger
> > does wait().
> >
>
> I dont think so.
> de_thread() handles the group_leader different than normal threads.
I don't follow...
I didn't say that t is a group leader. I said it can be a zombie sub-thread
with ->exit_state != 0.
> That means normal threads have to wait for being released from the zombie
> state by the tracer:
> sig->notify_count > 0, and de_thread is woken up by __exit_signal
That is what I said before. Debugger should release a zombie sub-thread,
it won't do __exit_signal() on its own.
> >> + if (unlikely(unsafe_execve_in_progress)) {
> >> + spin_unlock_irq(lock);
> >> + sig->exec_bprm = bprm;
> >> + mutex_unlock(&sig->cred_guard_mutex);
> >> + spin_lock_irq(lock);
> >
> > I don't understand why do we need to unlock and lock siglock here...
>
> That is just a precaution because I did want to release the
> mutexes exactly in the reverse order as they were acquired.
To me this adds the unnecessary complication.
> > But my main question is why do we need the unsafe_execve_in_progress boolean.
> > If this patch is correct and de_thread() can drop and re-acquire cread_guard_mutex
> > when one of the threads is traced, then why can't we do this unconditionally ?
> >
>
> I just wanted to keep the impact of the change as small as possible,
But the unsafe_execve_in_progress logic increases the impact and complicates
the patch.
I think the fix should be as simple as possible. (to be honest, right now
I don't think this is a right approach).
> including
> possible performance degradation due to double checking of credentials.
Not sure I understand, but you can add the performance improvements later.
Not to mention that this should be justified, and the for_other_threads()
loop added by this patch into de_thread() is not nice performance-wise.
Oleg.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-01-17 16:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-06-17 12:23 [PATCH v10] exec: Fix dead-lock in de_thread with ptrace_attach Bernd Edlinger
2021-07-11 17:43 ` [PATCH v11] " Bernd Edlinger
2023-10-30 5:20 ` [PATCH v12] " Bernd Edlinger
2023-10-30 9:00 ` kernel test robot
2023-11-06 6:41 ` [PATCH v13] " Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-15 19:22 ` [PATCH v14] " Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-15 19:37 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-17 9:51 ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-16 15:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-01-17 15:07 ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-17 16:38 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2024-01-22 13:24 ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-22 13:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-01-22 21:30 ` Kees Cook
2024-01-23 18:30 ` Bernd Edlinger
2024-01-24 0:09 ` Kees Cook
2024-01-22 18:31 ` [PATCH v15] " Bernd Edlinger
2025-08-18 6:04 ` Jain, Ayush
2025-08-18 20:53 ` [PATCH v16] " Bernd Edlinger
2025-08-19 4:36 ` Kees Cook
2025-08-19 18:53 ` Bernd Edlinger
2025-08-21 17:34 ` [PATCH v17] " Bernd Edlinger
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