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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Seth Forshee <sforshee@kernel.org>,
	 Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.pizza>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Move pidfd to tiny pseudo fs
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2024 18:02:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240213-kippt-ambiente-9162a4f7b19b@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240213-vfs-pidfd_fs-v1-0-f863f58cfce1@kernel.org>

On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 05:45:45PM +0100, Christian Brauner wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> This moves pidfds from the anonymous inode infrastructure to a tiny
> pseudo filesystem. This has been on my todo for quite a while as it will
> unblock further work that we weren't able to do so far simply because of
> the very justified limitations of anonymous inodes. So yesterday I sat
> down and wrote it down.
> 
> Back when I added pidfds the concept was new (on Linux) and the
> limitations were acceptable but now it's starting to hurt us. And with
> the concept of pidfds having been around quite a while and being widely
> used this is worth doing. This makes it so that:
> 
> * statx() on pidfds becomes useful for the first time.
> * pidfds can be compared simply via statx() for equality.
> * pidfds have unique inode numbers for the system lifetime.
> * struct pid is now stashed in inode->i_private instead of
>   file->private_data. This means it is now possible to introduce
>   concepts that operate on a process once all file descriptors have been
>   closed. A concrete example is kill-on-last-close.
> * file->private_data is freed up for per-file options for pidfds.
> * Each struct pid will refer to a different inode but the same struct
>   pid will refer to the same inode if it's opened multiple times. In
>   contrast to now where each struct pid refers to the same inode. Even
>   if we were to move to anon_inode_create_getfile() which creates new
>   inodes we'd still be associating the same struct pid with multiple
>   different inodes.
> * Pidfds now go through the regular dentry_open() path which means that
>   all security hooks are called unblocking proper LSM management for
>   pidfds. In addition fsnotify hooks are called and allow for listening
>   to open events on pidfds.
> 
> The tiny pseudo filesystem is not visible anywhere in userspace exactly
> like e.g., pipefs and sockfs. There's no lookup, there's no inode
> operations in general, so nothing complex. It's hopefully the best kind
> of dumb there is. Dentries and inodes are always deleted when the last
> pidfd is closed.
> 
> I've made the new code optional and placed it under CONFIG_FS_PIDFD but
> I'm confident we can remove that very soon. This takes some inspiration
> from nsfs which uses a similar stashing mechanism.
> 
> Thanks!
> Christian
> 
> Signed-off-by: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
> 
> ---
> base-commit: 3f643cd2351099e6b859533b6f984463e5315e5f
> change-id: 20240212-vfs-pidfd_fs-9a6e49283d80

I forgot to mention that pidfds are explicitly not simply directory
inodes in procfs for various reasons so this isn't an option I want to
pursue. Integrating them into procfs would be a nasty level of
complexity that makes for very ugly and convoluted code. Especially how
this would need to be integrated into copy_process() and other
locations. It also poses significant security and permission checking
challenges to userspace because it is generally not safe to send around
file descriptors for /proc/<pid> directories. It's a pretty big attack
vector and cause of security issues. So really this is not a path that I
want to go down. It defeats the whole purpose of pidfds as opaque, easy
delegatable handles.

Oh, and tree is vfs.pidfd at the usual location
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/vfs/vfs.git

      parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-13 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-13 16:45 [PATCH 0/2] Move pidfd to tiny pseudo fs Christian Brauner
2024-02-13 16:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] pidfd: move struct pidfd_fops Christian Brauner
2024-02-13 16:45 ` [PATCH 2/2] pidfd: add pidfdfs Christian Brauner
2024-02-13 17:17   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-14 14:40     ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-14 18:27       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-14 18:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-15 16:11           ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-16 11:50             ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-16 16:41               ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-17 13:59               ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-02-17 17:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-17 17:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-18 11:15                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-18 11:33                     ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-18 17:54                       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-18 18:08                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-18 18:57                           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-19 18:05                             ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-19 18:34                               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-19 21:18                                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-19 23:24                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-18 14:27                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-02-18  9:30                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-22 19:03   ` Nathan Chancellor
2024-02-23 10:18     ` Heiko Carstens
2024-02-23 11:56       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-23 11:55     ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-23 12:57       ` Heiko Carstens
2024-02-23 13:27         ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-23 13:35           ` Heiko Carstens
2024-02-23 13:41       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-23 21:26       ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-23 21:58         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24  5:52           ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-24  6:05             ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-24 18:48             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-24 19:15               ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-24 19:19                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-24 19:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-02-27 19:26                 ` Nathan Chancellor
2024-02-27 22:13                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-03-12 10:35   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-03-12 14:09     ` Christian Brauner
2024-05-15 11:10   ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-15 16:39     ` Christian Brauner
2024-05-16  5:28       ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-17  7:09         ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-17  7:54           ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-17 20:07             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-20  8:23               ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-20 19:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-20 19:15                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-21  6:07                     ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-21  6:13                       ` Jiri Slaby
2024-05-21 12:33                         ` Christian Brauner
2024-05-21 12:40                           ` Christian Brauner
2024-05-21 15:10                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-05-25 11:57                               ` Christian Brauner
2024-05-21 12:16               ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-13 17:02 ` Christian Brauner [this message]

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