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From: "Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
To: "Günther Noack" <gnoack@google.com>
Cc: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	 Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	 Jeff Xu <jeffxu@google.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	 Jorge Lucangeli Obes <jorgelo@chromium.org>,
	Allen Webb <allenwebb@google.com>,
	 Dmitry Torokhov <dtor@google.com>,
	Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	 Konstantin Meskhidze <konstantin.meskhidze@huawei.com>,
	Matt Bobrowski <repnop@google.com>,
	 linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 01/10] landlock: Add IOCTL access right for character and block devices
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2024 20:04:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240405.ahtaVee6ahc0@digikod.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZhAlXB3PWC4yyU8F@google.com>

On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 06:22:52PM +0200, Günther Noack wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 06:17:17PM +0200, Günther Noack wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 01:15:45PM +0200, Mickaël Salaün wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 08:28:49PM +0200, Günther Noack wrote:
> > > > Can you please clarify how you make up your mind about what should be permitted
> > > > and what should not?  I have trouble understanding the rationale for the changes
> > > > that you asked for below, apart from the points that they are harmless and that
> > > > the return codes should be consistent.
> > > 
> > > The rationale is the same: all IOCTL commands that are not
> > > passed/specific to character or block devices (i.e. IOCTLs defined in
> > > fs/ioctl.c) are allowed.  vfs_masked_device_ioctl() returns true if the
> > > IOCTL command is not passed to the related device driver but handled by
> > > fs/ioctl.c instead (i.e. handled by the VFS layer).
> > 
> > Thanks for clarifying -- this makes more sense now.  I traced the cases with
> > -ENOIOCTLCMD through the code more thoroughly and it is more aligned now with
> > what you implemented before.  The places where I ended up implementing it
> > differently to your vfs_masked_device_ioctl() patch are:
> > 
> >  * Do not blanket-permit FS_IOC_{GET,SET}{FLAGS,XATTR}.
> >    They fall back to the device implementation.
> > 
> >  * FS_IOC_GETUUID and FS_IOC_GETFSSYSFSPATH are now handled.
> >    These return -ENOIOCTLCMD from do_vfs_ioctl(), so they do fall back to the
> >    handlers in struct file_operations, so we can not permit these either.
> 
> Kent, Amir:
> 
> Is it intentional that the new FS_IOC_GETUUID and FS_IOC_GETFSSYSFSPATH IOCTLs
> can fall back to a IOCTL implementation in struct file_operations?  I found this
> remark by Amir which sounded vaguely like it might have been on purpose?  Did I
> understand that correctly?

I think the rationale is that all new VFS IOCTLs should have this fall
back because device drivers might already implement them.

> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAOQ4uxjvEL4P4vV5SKpHVS5DtOwKpxAn4n4+Kfqawcu+H-MC5g@mail.gmail.com/
> 
> Otherwise, I am happy to send a patch to make it non-extensible (the impls in
> fs/ioctl.c would need to return -ENOTTY).  This would let us reason better about
> the safety of these IOCTLs for IOCTL security policies enforced by the Landlock
> LSM. (Some of these file_operations IOCTL implementations do stuff before
> looking at the cmd number.)
> 
> Thanks,
> —Günther
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-05 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-27 13:10 [PATCH v13 00/10] Landlock: IOCTL support Günther Noack
2024-03-27 13:10 ` [PATCH v13 01/10] landlock: Add IOCTL access right for character and block devices Günther Noack
2024-03-27 16:57   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-28 12:01     ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-04-02 18:28     ` Günther Noack
2024-04-03 11:15       ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-04-05 16:17         ` Günther Noack
2024-04-05 16:22           ` Günther Noack
2024-04-05 18:04             ` Mickaël Salaün [this message]
2024-04-05 18:17             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-04-05 21:44               ` Günther Noack
2024-04-05 18:01           ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-27 13:10 ` [PATCH v13 02/10] selftests/landlock: Test IOCTL support Günther Noack
2024-03-27 16:58   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-27 13:10 ` [PATCH v13 03/10] selftests/landlock: Test IOCTL with memfds Günther Noack
2024-03-27 13:10 ` [PATCH v13 04/10] selftests/landlock: Test ioctl(2) and ftruncate(2) with open(O_PATH) Günther Noack
2024-03-27 13:10 ` [PATCH v13 05/10] selftests/landlock: Test IOCTLs on named pipes Günther Noack
2024-03-27 13:10 ` [PATCH v13 06/10] selftests/landlock: Check IOCTL restrictions for named UNIX domain sockets Günther Noack
2024-03-27 13:10 ` [PATCH v13 07/10] samples/landlock: Add support for LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_IOCTL_DEV Günther Noack
2024-03-27 13:10 ` [PATCH v13 08/10] landlock: Document IOCTL support Günther Noack
2024-03-27 13:10 ` [PATCH v13 09/10] MAINTAINERS: Notify Landlock maintainers about changes to fs/ioctl.c Günther Noack
2024-03-27 13:10 ` [PATCH v13 10/10] fs/ioctl: Add a comment to keep the logic in sync with the Landlock LSM Günther Noack
2024-03-28 12:11   ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-28 13:08     ` Paul Moore
2024-03-28 16:43       ` Mickaël Salaün
2024-03-28 17:06         ` Paul Moore

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