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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Yu Kuai <yukuai1@huaweicloud.com>
Cc: jack@suse.cz, hch@lst.de, brauner@kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	yi.zhang@huawei.com, yangerkun@huawei.com,
	"yukuai (C)" <yukuai3@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH vfs.all 22/26] block: stash a bdev_file to read/write raw blcok_device
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2024 05:57:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240407045758.GK538574@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8f414bc5-44c6-fe71-4d04-6aef3de8c5e3@huaweicloud.com>

On Sun, Apr 07, 2024 at 11:21:56AM +0800, Yu Kuai wrote:

> Perhaps this is what you missed, like the title of this set, in order to
> remove direct acceess of bdev->bd_inode from fs/buffer, we must store
> bdev_file in buffer_head and iomap, and 'bdev->bd_inode' is replaced
> with 'file_inode(bdev)' now.

TBH, that looks like a very massive overkill that doesn't address
the real issues - you are still poking in that coallocated struct
inode, only instead of fetching it from pointer in struct block_device
you get it from a pointer in a dummy struct file.  How is that an
improvement?  After all, grepping for '\->[ 	]*bd_inode\>' and
looking through the few remaining users in e.g. fs/buffer.c is
*much* easier than grepping for file_inode callers.

AFAICS, Christoph's objections had been about the need to use saner
APIs instead of getting to inode in some way and poking in it.
And I agree that quite a few things in that series do just
that.  The final part doesn't.

IMO, those dummy struct file (used as convenient storage for pointer
to address_space *and* to the damn inode, with all its guts hanging
out) are simply wrong.

To reiterate:
	* we need to reduce the number of uses of those inodes
	* we need to find out what *is* getting used and sort out
the sane set of primitives; that's hard to do when we still have
a lot of noise.
	* we need convert to those saner primitives
	* we need to prevent reintroduction of noise, or at least
make such reintroduced noise easy to catch and whack.

->bd_inode is a problem because it's an attractive nuisance.  Removing
it would be fine, if there wasn't a harder to spot alternative way to
get the same pointer.  Try to grep for file_inode and bd_inode resp.
and compare the hit counts.  Seriously reduced set of bd_inode users is
fine - my impression is that after this series without the final part
we'd be down to 20 users or so.  In the meanwhile, there's about 1.4e3
users of file_inode(), most of them completely unrelated to block
devices.

PS: in grow_dev_folio() we probably want
	struct address_space *mapping = bdev->bd_inode->i_mapping;
instead of
	struct inode *inode = bdev->bd_inode;
as one of the preliminary chunks.
FWIW, it really looks like address_space (== page cache of block device,
not an unreasonably candidate for primitive) and block size (well,
logarithm thereof) cover the majority of what remains, with device
size possibly being (remote) third...

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-07  4:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-06  9:09 [PATCH vfs.all 00/26] fs & block: remove bdev->bd_inode Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 01/26] block: move two helpers into bdev.c Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 02/26] block: remove sync_blockdev_nowait() Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 03/26] block: remove sync_blockdev_range() Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 04/26] block: prevent direct access of bd_inode Yu Kuai
2024-04-07  2:22   ` Al Viro
2024-04-07  2:37     ` Yu Kuai
2024-04-11 11:12       ` Christian Brauner
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 05/26] block: add a helper bdev_read_folio() Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 06/26] bcachefs: remove dead function bdev_sectors() Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 07/26] cramfs: prevent direct access of bd_inode Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 08/26] erofs: " Yu Kuai
2024-04-07  4:05   ` Al Viro
2024-04-07  4:08     ` Al Viro
2024-04-11 16:13     ` Gao Xiang
2024-04-12  1:14       ` Yu Kuai
2024-04-25 19:56       ` Al Viro
2024-04-25 19:57         ` [PATCH 1/6] erofs: switch erofs_bread() to passing offset instead of block number Al Viro
2024-04-29  3:01           ` Gao Xiang
2024-04-25 19:58         ` [PATCH 2/6] erofs_buf: store address_space instead of inode Al Viro
2024-04-29  3:01           ` Gao Xiang
2024-04-25 19:58         ` erofs: mechanically convert erofs_read_metabuf() to offsets Al Viro
2024-04-25 19:59         ` [PATCH 4/6] erofs: don't align offset for erofs_read_metabuf() (simple cases) Al Viro
2024-04-25 19:59         ` [PATCH 5/6] erofs: don't round offset down for erofs_read_metabuf() Al Viro
2024-04-25 20:00         ` [PATCH 6/6] z_erofs_pcluster_begin(): don't bother with rounding position down Al Viro
2024-04-26  5:32           ` Gao Xiang
2024-05-03  4:15             ` Al Viro
2024-05-03 13:01               ` Gao Xiang
2024-05-17  2:24                 ` Gao Xiang
2024-04-25 20:08         ` [PATCH vfs.all 08/26] erofs: prevent direct access of bd_inode Al Viro
2024-04-25 21:56           ` Gao Xiang
2024-04-25 22:28             ` Al Viro
2024-04-25 23:11               ` Gao Xiang
2024-04-25 23:22         ` Gao Xiang
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 09/26] nilfs2: " Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 10/26] gfs2: " Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 11/26] btrfs: " Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 12/26] ext4: remove block_device_ejected() Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 13/26] ext4: prevent direct access of bd_inode Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 14/26] jbd2: " Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 15/26] s390/dasd: use bdev api in dasd_format() Yu Kuai
2024-04-16  1:35   ` Al Viro
2024-04-16  8:47     ` Alexander Gordeev
2024-04-17 12:47       ` Stefan Haberland
2024-04-28 18:58         ` Al Viro
2024-04-28 23:23           ` Al Viro
2024-04-29 14:41             ` Stefan Haberland
2024-04-30  0:30               ` Al Viro
2024-04-30 11:35                 ` Stefan Haberland
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 16/26] bcache: prevent direct access of bd_inode Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 17/26] block2mtd: " Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 18/26] scsi: use bdev helper in scsi_bios_ptable() Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 19/26] dm-vdo: convert to use bdev_file Yu Kuai
2024-04-10 10:56   ` Jan Kara
2024-04-10 17:26   ` Matthew Sakai
2024-04-10 17:40     ` Al Viro
2024-04-10 18:59       ` Matthew Sakai
2024-04-11 11:12       ` Christian Brauner
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 20/26] block: factor out a helper init_bdev_file() Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 21/26] block: fix module reference leakage from bdev_open_by_dev error path Yu Kuai
2024-04-11  9:16   ` (subset) " Christian Brauner
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 22/26] block: stash a bdev_file to read/write raw blcok_device Yu Kuai
2024-04-06 19:42   ` Al Viro
2024-04-06 20:29     ` Al Viro
2024-04-07  1:18       ` Yu Kuai
2024-04-07  1:51         ` Al Viro
2024-04-07  2:34           ` Yu Kuai
2024-04-07  3:06             ` Al Viro
2024-04-07  3:21               ` Yu Kuai
2024-04-07  4:57                 ` Al Viro [this message]
2024-04-07  5:11                   ` Al Viro
2024-04-07  5:21                     ` Al Viro
2024-04-11 15:22                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-04-09  4:26                 ` Al Viro
2024-04-09  4:53                   ` Al Viro
2024-04-09  6:22                   ` Yu Kuai
2024-04-10 10:59                     ` Jan Kara
2024-04-10 22:34                       ` Al Viro
2024-04-11 11:56                         ` Christian Brauner
2024-04-11 14:04                           ` Al Viro
2024-04-11 14:49                             ` Al Viro
2024-04-11 14:53                               ` [PATCH 01/11] block_device: add a pointer to struct address_space (page cache of bdev) Al Viro
2024-04-11 14:53                                 ` [PATCH 02/11] use ->bd_mapping instead of ->bd_inode->i_mapping Al Viro
2024-04-11 14:53                                 ` [PATCH 03/11] grow_dev_folio(): we only want ->bd_inode->i_mapping there Al Viro
2024-04-11 14:59                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-04-11 14:53                                 ` [PATCH 04/11] gfs2: more obvious initializations of mapping->host Al Viro
2024-04-11 14:53                                 ` [PATCH 05/11] blkdev_write_iter(): saner way to get inode and bdev Al Viro
2024-04-11 14:53                                 ` [PATCH 06/11] blk_ioctl_{discard,zeroout}(): we only want ->bd_inode->i_mapping here Al Viro
2024-04-11 14:53                                 ` [PATCH 07/11] ext4: remove block_device_ejected() Al Viro
2024-04-11 14:53                                 ` [PATCH 08/11] block: move two helpers into bdev.c Al Viro
2024-04-11 14:53                                 ` [PATCH 09/11] dm-vdo: use bdev_nr_bytes(bdev) instead of i_size_read(bdev->bd_inode) Al Viro
2024-04-11 18:04                                   ` Matthew Sakai
2024-04-11 14:53                                 ` [PATCH 10/11] bcachefs: remove dead function bdev_sectors() Al Viro
2024-04-11 14:53                                 ` [PATCH 11/11] block2mtd: prevent direct access of bd_inode Al Viro
2024-04-17 11:05                                 ` [PATCH 01/11] block_device: add a pointer to struct address_space (page cache of bdev) Christian Brauner
2024-04-12  1:38                               ` [PATCH vfs.all 22/26] block: stash a bdev_file to read/write raw blcok_device Yu Kuai
2024-04-12  2:59                                 ` Al Viro
2024-04-12  4:41                                   ` Al Viro
2024-04-12  7:13                                     ` Al Viro
2024-04-12  9:21                             ` Christian Brauner
2024-04-12 11:29                               ` Al Viro
2024-04-13 15:25                                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-04-15 20:45                                   ` Al Viro
2024-04-16  6:32                                     ` Al Viro
2024-04-17  4:35                                       ` [PATCH][RFC] set_blocksize() in pktcdvd (was Re: [PATCH vfs.all 22/26] block: stash a bdev_file to read/write raw blcok_device) Al Viro
2024-04-17 13:43                                       ` [PATCH vfs.all 22/26] block: stash a bdev_file to read/write raw blcok_device Jan Kara
2024-04-17 15:23                                         ` Al Viro
2024-04-17 20:45                                       ` [RFC] set_blocksize() in kernel/power/swap.c (was Re: [PATCH vfs.all 22/26] block: stash a bdev_file to read/write raw blcok_device) Al Viro
2024-04-09  9:00               ` [PATCH vfs.all 22/26] block: stash a bdev_file to read/write raw blcok_device Christian Brauner
2024-04-09 10:23   ` Christian Brauner
2024-04-09 11:53     ` Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 23/26] iomap: add helpers helpers to get and set bdev Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 24/26] iomap: convert to use bdev_file Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 25/26] buffer: add helpers to get and set bdev Yu Kuai
2024-04-06  9:09 ` [PATCH vfs.all 26/26] buffer: convert to use bdev_file Yu Kuai
2024-04-07  2:20 ` [PATCH vfs.all 00/26] fs & block: remove bdev->bd_inode Yu Kuai
2024-04-08 14:05   ` Jan Kara

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