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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Ritesh Harjani <ritesh.list@gmail.com>,
	chandan.babu@oracle.com, dchinner@redhat.com, hch@lst.de,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, brauner@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, catherine.hoang@oracle.com,
	martin.petersen@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/14] forcealign for xfs
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:54:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240917205420.GB182177@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c8a9dba5-7d02-4aa2-a01f-dd7f53b24938@oracle.com>

On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 11:24:56AM +0100, John Garry wrote:
> On 16/09/2024 08:03, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > OTOH, we can't do this with atomic writes. Atomic writes require
> > some mkfs help because they require explicit physical alignment of
> > the filesystem to the underlying storage.

Forcealign requires agsize%extsize==0, it's atomicwrites that adds the
requirement that extsize be a power of 2...

> If we are enabling atomic writes at mkfs time, then we can ensure agsize %
> extsize == 0. That provides the physical alignment guarantee. It also makes
> sense to ensure extsize is a power-of-2.
> 
> However, extsize is re-configurble per inode. So, for an inode enabled for
> atomic writes, we must still ensure agsize % new extsize == 0 (and also new
> extsize is a power-of-2)

...so yes.

> > Hence we'll eventually end
> > up with atomic writes needing to be enabled at mkfs time, but force
> > align will be an upgradeable feature flag.
> 
> Could atomic writes also be an upgradeable feature? We just need to ensure
> that agsize % extsize == 0 for an inode enabled for atomic writes. Valid
> extsize values may be quite limited, though, depending on the value of
> agsize.

I don't see why forcealign and atomicwrites can't be added to the sb
featureset after the fact, though you're right that callers of xfs_io
chattr might be hard pressed to find an fsx_extsize value that fits.

--D

> Thanks,
> John
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-17 20:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-13 16:36 [PATCH v4 00/14] forcealign for xfs John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 01/14] xfs: only allow minlen allocations when near ENOSPC John Garry
2024-08-23 16:28   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 02/14] xfs: always tail align maxlen allocations John Garry
2024-08-23 16:31   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-08-29 17:58     ` John Garry
2024-08-29 21:34       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 03/14] xfs: simplify extent allocation alignment John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 04/14] xfs: make EOF allocation simpler John Garry
2024-09-04 18:25   ` Ritesh Harjani
2024-09-05  7:51     ` John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 05/14] xfs: introduce forced allocation alignment John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 06/14] xfs: align args->minlen for " John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 07/14] xfs: Introduce FORCEALIGN inode flag John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 08/14] xfs: Update xfs_inode_alloc_unitsize() for forcealign John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 09/14] xfs: Update xfs_setattr_size() " John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 10/14] xfs: Do not free EOF blocks " John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 11/14] xfs: Only free full extents " John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 12/14] xfs: Unmap blocks according to forcealign John Garry
2024-08-23 16:35   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 13/14] xfs: Don't revert allocated offset for forcealign John Garry
2024-08-13 16:36 ` [PATCH v4 14/14] xfs: Enable file data forcealign feature John Garry
2024-09-04 18:14 ` [PATCH v4 00/14] forcealign for xfs Ritesh Harjani
2024-09-04 23:20   ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-05  3:56     ` Ritesh Harjani
2024-09-05  6:33       ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-10  2:51         ` Ritesh Harjani
2024-09-16  6:33           ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-10 12:33         ` Ritesh Harjani
2024-09-16  7:03           ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-16 10:24             ` John Garry
2024-09-17 20:54               ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2024-09-17 23:34                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-17 22:12               ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-18  7:59                 ` John Garry
2024-09-23  2:57                   ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-23  3:33                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-23  8:16                       ` John Garry
2024-09-23 12:07                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-23 12:33                           ` John Garry
2024-09-24  6:17                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-24  9:48                               ` John Garry
2024-11-29 11:36                                 ` John Garry
2024-09-23  8:00                     ` John Garry
2024-09-05 10:15     ` John Garry
2024-09-05 21:47       ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-06 14:31         ` John Garry
2024-09-08 22:49           ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-09 16:18             ` John Garry
2024-09-16  5:25               ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-16  9:44                 ` John Garry
2024-09-17 22:27                   ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-18 10:12                     ` John Garry
2024-11-14 12:48                       ` Long Li
2024-11-14 16:22                         ` John Garry
2024-11-14 20:07                         ` Dave Chinner
2024-11-15  8:14                           ` John Garry
2024-11-15 11:20                           ` Long Li

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