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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Fsnotify changes for 6.12-rc1
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 11:27:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240924092757.lev6mwrmhpcoyjtu@quack3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whm4QfqzSJvBQFrCi4V5SP_iD=DN0VkxfpXaA02PKCb6Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon 23-09-24 12:36:14, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Sept 2024 at 12:13, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> >
> > Sure, the details are in some of the commit messages but you're right I
> > should have summarized them in the pull request as well:
> 
> So I really only looked at the parts I know - the VM side, and
> honestly, I threw up in my mouth a bit there.
> 
> Do we really want to call that horrific fsnotify path for the case
> where we already have the page cached? This is a fairly critical
> fastpath, and not giving out page cache pages means that now you are
> literally violating mmap coherency.
> 
> If the aim is to fill in caches on first access, then if we already
> have a page cache page, it's by definition not first access any more!

Well, that's what actually should be happening. do_read_fault() will do
should_fault_around(vmf) -> yes -> do_fault_around() and
filemap_map_pages() will insert all pages in the page cache into the page
table page before we even get to filemap_fault() calling our fsnotify
hooks. Note that filemap_map_pages() returns VM_FAULT_NOPAGE if it has
mapped the page for the faulting address which makes the page fault code
bail out even before ->fault handler is even called.

That being said now that I'm rereading this code again, write faults will
always end up in the fault handler so we'll generate PRE_WRITE events for
them on each write fault (if someone is watching for it). Not sure if write
faults matter that much and I don't see easy way around that as that's the
promise of PRE_WRITE event...

Do the above explanations make the VM changes acceptable for you? I agree
it isn't exactly beautiful but it should work.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-24  9:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-23 11:03 [GIT PULL] Fsnotify changes for 6.12-rc1 Jan Kara
2024-09-23 18:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-23 19:13   ` Jan Kara
2024-09-23 19:36     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-24  9:27       ` Jan Kara [this message]
2024-09-24 16:33         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-25  0:16           ` Gao Xiang
2024-09-25  1:15             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-09-25 11:04               ` Jan Kara
2024-10-16 19:28               ` Josef Bacik

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