From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Keith Busch <kbusch@meta.com>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
axboe@kernel.dk, io-uring@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, joshi.k@samsung.com,
javier.gonz@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCHv8 2/6] block: use generic u16 for write hints
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:20:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241025122004.GA22710@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zxqjvu0w9OsJN2uB@kbusch-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com>
On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 01:45:02PM -0600, Keith Busch wrote:
> I'm not sure I follow this feedback. The SCSI feature is defined as a
> lifetime stream association in SBC-5. So it's still a stream for SCSI,
> but you want to call it "WRITE_HINT", which is not a term used in the
> SCSI spec for this feature. But, you want to call it STREAM_SEPARATION
> for NVMe only, even though the FDP spec doesn't use that term? What's
> wrong with just calling it a generic hint support feature?
The "Constrained Streams with Data Lifetimes" are called streams for
political reasons but they are not. They are buckets of different data
lifetimes.
> I also don't see why SCSI couldn't use per-io hints just like this
> enables for NVMe. The spec doesn't limit SCSI to just 5 streams, so this
> provides a way to access them all through the raw block device.
I don't mind passing per-I/O temperature hints to SCSI block devices.
But we should not confuse a streams/FDP like streams that are different
context which are assumed to be discarded together and have a concept of
Stream Granularity Size or Reclaim Unit size with the data temperature
hints that are at the storage level fundamentally per-I/O and just bucket
into temperature group without any indication of data locality.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-25 12:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-10-17 16:09 [PATCHv8 0/6] write hints for nvme fdp Keith Busch
2024-10-17 16:09 ` [PATCHv8 2/6] block: use generic u16 for write hints Keith Busch
2024-10-18 5:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-24 19:45 ` Keith Busch
2024-10-25 12:20 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-10-18 6:00 ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-10-18 16:12 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-21 15:03 ` Keith Busch
2024-10-17 16:09 ` [PATCHv8 3/6] block: introduce max_write_hints queue limit Keith Busch
2024-10-18 5:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-18 6:01 ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-10-18 16:18 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-21 15:02 ` Keith Busch
2024-10-17 16:09 ` [PATCHv8 4/6] fs: introduce per-io hint support flag Keith Busch
2024-10-18 5:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-18 6:03 ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-10-17 16:09 ` [PATCHv8 5/6] io_uring: enable per-io hinting capability Keith Busch
2024-10-18 5:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-18 6:03 ` Hannes Reinecke
[not found] ` <20241017160937.2283225-2-kbusch@meta.com>
2024-10-18 5:50 ` [PATCHv8 1/6] block, fs: restore kiocb based write hint processing Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-21 15:47 ` Keith Busch
2024-10-21 17:09 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-21 19:35 ` Keith Busch
2024-10-22 6:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-22 14:37 ` Keith Busch
2024-10-22 14:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-18 16:11 ` Bart Van Assche
[not found] ` <CGME20241017161628epcas5p1006f392dc6c208634997f3a950ec8c67@epcas5p1.samsung.com>
[not found] ` <20241017160937.2283225-7-kbusch@meta.com>
2024-10-18 10:48 ` [PATCHv8 6/6] nvme: enable FDP support Kanchan Joshi
2024-10-21 15:08 ` Keith Busch
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