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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Erin Shepherd <erin.shepherd@e43.eu>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	christian@brauner.io,  paul@paul-moore.com, bluca@debian.org,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] pidfs: implement file handle support
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2024 12:35:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241113-geahndet-nullpunkt-e4ebe45d4d21@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2aa94713-c12a-4344-a45c-a01f26e16a0d@e43.eu>

On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 11:43:13PM +0100, Erin Shepherd wrote:
> On 12/11/2024 14:57, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > On Tue, 2024-11-12 at 14:10 +0100, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > We should really just move to storing 64-bit inode numbers internally
> > on 32-bit machines. That would at least make statx() give you all 64
> > bits on 32-bit host.
> 
> I think that would be ideal from the perspective of exposing it to
> userspace.
> It does leave the question of going back from inode to pidfd unsolved
> though.I like the name_to_handle_at/open_by_handle_at approach because

Indeed it doesn't solve it because it's possible that a given struct pid
never had a pidfd created for it and thus no inode actually does exist.
So when you're decoding a pidfs file handle you need to go to a struct
pid based on some property. The pid is fine for that and it is
equivalen to how pidfd_open() works.

> it neatly solves both sides of the problem with APIs we already have and
> understand
> 
> > Hmm... I guess pid namespaces don't have a convenient 64-bit ID like
> > mount namespaces do? In that case, stashing the pid from init_ns is
> > probably the next best thing.
> 
> Not that I could identify, no; so stashing the PID seemed like the most
> pragmatic
> approach.
> 
> I'm not 100% sure it should be a documented property of the file handle
> format; I
> somewhat think that everything after the PID inode should be opaque to
> userspace
> and subject to change in the future (to the point I considered xoring it
> with a
> magic constant to make it less obvious to userspace/make it more obvious
> that its
> not to be relied upon; but that to my knowledge is not something that
> the kernel
> has done elsewhere).
> 
> - Erin
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-11-13 11:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-01 13:54 [PATCH 0/4] pidfs: implement file handle support Erin Shepherd
2024-11-01 13:54 ` [PATCH 1/4] pseudofs: add support for export_ops Erin Shepherd
2024-11-12 15:56   ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-01 13:54 ` [PATCH 2/4] pidfs: implement file handle export support Erin Shepherd
2024-11-12 15:55   ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-01 13:54 ` [PATCH 3/4] pid: introduce find_get_pid_ns Erin Shepherd
2024-11-12 15:59   ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-01 13:54 ` [PATCH 4/4] pidfs: implement fh_to_dentry Erin Shepherd
2024-11-12 16:33   ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-12 23:51   ` Jeff Layton
2024-11-13  8:01     ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-13 10:11       ` Erin Shepherd
2024-11-13 12:21         ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-13 12:09   ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-13 13:06     ` Erin Shepherd
2024-11-13 13:26       ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-13 13:48         ` Erin Shepherd
2024-11-14 10:29           ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-14 12:21             ` Erin Shepherd
2024-11-12 13:10 ` [PATCH 0/4] pidfs: implement file handle support Christian Brauner
2024-11-12 13:57   ` Jeff Layton
2024-11-12 22:43     ` Erin Shepherd
2024-11-13  0:37       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-11-13 11:35       ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2024-11-13 17:55       ` [PATCH v2 0/3] " Erin Shepherd
2024-11-13 17:55         ` [PATCH v2 1/3] pseudofs: add support for export_ops Erin Shepherd
2024-11-13 17:55         ` [PATCH v2 2/3] exportfs: allow fs to disable CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH check Erin Shepherd
2024-11-13 22:50           ` kernel test robot
2024-11-14  1:29           ` kernel test robot
2024-11-14  4:37           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-14 12:56             ` Erin Shepherd
2024-11-14  6:37           ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-14 14:16             ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-13 17:55         ` [PATCH v2 3/3] pidfs: implement file handle support Erin Shepherd
2024-11-14  7:07           ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-14 12:42             ` Erin Shepherd
2024-11-14 12:52           ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-14 13:13             ` Erin Shepherd
2024-11-14 14:13               ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-14 21:52                 ` Erin Shepherd
2024-11-15  7:50                   ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-14  7:02         ` [PATCH v2 0/3] " Amir Goldstein
2024-11-14 12:48           ` Erin Shepherd
2024-11-14 14:27             ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-28 12:33               ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] pidfs: file handle preliminaries Christian Brauner
2024-11-28 12:33                 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] pidfs: rework inode number allocation Christian Brauner
2024-11-28 17:19                   ` Amir Goldstein
2024-11-28 12:33                 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] pidfs: remove 32bit inode number handling Christian Brauner
2024-11-28 17:06                 ` [PATCH RFC 0/2] pidfs: file handle preliminaries Amir Goldstein
2024-11-14 16:10             ` [PATCH v2 0/3] pidfs: implement file handle support Amir Goldstein
2024-11-12 23:03   ` [PATCH 0/4] " Erin Shepherd
2024-11-13  0:40     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-11-13 10:17       ` Erin Shepherd
2024-11-13 13:29         ` Jeff Layton
2024-11-13 14:41           ` Chuck Lever III
2024-11-14 10:39             ` Christian Brauner
2024-11-14  6:55           ` Amir Goldstein

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